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Okay...commence sneak peekage...
2007-08-27 13:16:00
(The above is a temporary cover, but the final version won't change significantly. Isn't it cool?!)Personal Demons is available for preorder on Amazon here!!And to celebrate my preorder status, I'll be posting the entire first chapter here this week. One scene a day, today tomorrow and Wednesday.Enjoy!(Note: This is an unedited excerpt. Final version may vary slightly.)Chapter One?Welcome back to Personal Demons,? Megan said into the microphone. ?Our next caller is Regina. Hi, Regina, how can I slay your personal demons??The words tasted like shame. She and Richard had fought over that line, just as they?d fought over the massive publicity campaign he and the station orchestrated for the show.Richard signed the paychecks, so Richard won. Never let it be said that good taste and actually helping people outweighed silly gimmicks in the media world. ?Regina? Are you there??"I'm scared." The rush of images accompanying that small, almost childish voice raised goosebumps on Megan's ...

Epublishing: with Tina Burns, Acquisitions Editor, Liquid Silver Books
2007-08-24 12:36:00
*****Tina will be stopping by during the day to answer any further questions you may have!! So please don't be shy!********1. Do you have any comment on RWA?s recent re-redefinition of ?Vanity/Subsidy publisher??No. It doesn't affect our readers, and many of our authors qualify for PAN membership, which seems to be their main concern. Many of our authors are RWA and we have never been a vanity press.2. What do you think a writer should look for from an epublisher, and how should they expect to be treated?My list isn?t in order of importance as I feel that they all have close to equal weight, so here?s my list:? Longevity ? how long have they been in business?? Public Standing ? are they looked on favorably in the ePublishing community? Are they frequently part of the rumor/blog comment mill? Are they recommended by their authors, by readers? Other Publishers?? Genreability ? I know it?s not a word, but it says what I mean. ;) Know what a publisher publishes. If they publish eroti...
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A couple of quick notes
2007-08-24 12:24:00
--I have added the recipes for peanut butter cake, spanakopita, and my fake greek potatoes to the Overflow blog (link on right.)--I'm just about halfway done with The Demon Inside and I'm going to need a new beta reader when I'm done--someone who hasn't read Personal Demons, because I need to know if the book works without knowing the backstory. Any takers? Email me if you're interested. It won't be for at least another three weeks or so, so check your schedule. I have a hard time critting/beta-ing when I'm working so I try to plan windows.You don't have to crit; I just want someone to give me their impressions of the book--in detail, if possible, please, especially in its rough(er) form. And I'll owe you a beta back, if you like. (I feel the need to mention "detail" because I really am paranoid and so will bug you to death. Really. Ask poor Anna J. Evans and McKoala. It's not that I don't trust you guys, it's that I'm demanding.)Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday I will be...
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Perfumes..and time wasters!
2007-08-22 17:29:00
Yay! My perfumes arrived yesterday from Black Phoenix Alchemy Lab!I ordered 20 of their sample sized "Imps", in a wide variety of scents. My favorite so far is "O", but I'm also really digging "Siren" and "Blood Amber". I'll try them all, one a day--it's the belated birthday gift that keeps on giving!I was looking through Personal Demons yesterday and realized the place in that book where I almost gave up, and sat on my hands for almost three weeks because I had no idea how to get where I needed to be, was page 160. Guess where I'm stuck on The Demon Inside? Page 160, you say? Why, yes! The good news is, I think I have figured out how to get over the hump. I actually got some words in this morning and think I'll do more tonight (after Heroes, of course.)Also in time-wasting, I decided, for some insane reason, that it would be fun to make spanakopita from scratch. Okay, actually it was kind of fun, but next time I'm using fresh spinach instead of frozen, because that shit was a...
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Websites (again)
2007-08-20 14:27:00
So I need a Stacia Kane website. Gotta have one, gotta get it all set up, laws yes. M-O-O-N, that spells I'm screwed!(BTW, I'll have some news about Personal Demons next week--and I'm going to post excerpts Monday and Wednesday! So make sure you come back and get your sneak peek!)See, when I set up the DQ site, I was just playing. trying to do something dramatic and maybe a little sexy, something fun. Great.But, much as I like the site, I need a different look for the SK site. And I've been hearing a few things about author sites lately that hae made the process even more confusing.For instance, I hear the black-and-red theme, especially for urban fantasy writers, is getting a bit dull. And the white writing on a black background isn't easy on the eyes.So I need a light-colored background. But I'm not, as you all know, a fan of pastels. And gray, which I really like, seems a bit monochrome, maybe? I don't know, I might try it.I want to create a cool logo, but I'm absolute cr...
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Epublishing: with Raelene Gorlinsky, Publisher, Ellora's Cave
2007-08-17 15:39:00
1. Do you have any comment on RWA?s recent re-redefinition of ?Vanity/Subsidy publisher??Now that they have corrected the wording so that it doesn?t include e-publishers, I don?t have any major problems with it. I do think they now need to quickly determine the details of ?eligible publisher?. If we have to pay a fee to participate in the National conference, what is the fee and what is included? And are they going to fairly apply the standard, which may mean that publishers like St. Martin?s Press and Red Sage are not ?eligible?.I think it is good that RWA dropped the ?RWA-recognized publisher? designation. The qualification for that was so pointless ? a publisher could put a lot of money behind just one book to get its sales over the limit needed, but neglect all their other titles. That criterion had no real value in judging the publisher. Plus the whole problem that authors assumed being recognized meant a publisher had RWA?s approval and was automatically a good and ?safe? publ...
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Read me a story
2007-08-15 17:49:00
(Before I start my official post, I have to tell this story. The other day the hubs and I were in the kitchen, sharing a little kiss, like you do. The Faery and the Princess came in the room, because that's what they do. Faery wanted to play, but Princess turned to her and said, "I think they're having sex right now, Faery." Ah, children. What fun.)So Camille's comment on my last post reminded me of a particular oddity of mine--I can only listen to books on tape if it's a book I've read before. Otherwise my mind wanders. I have a hard time focusing on things people tell me. I guess it's that whole aural/visual learner thing. I'm definitely visual.My Mom is really into books on tape, and I decided to try one some years ago for a small road trip. I made the mistake of choosing a mystery. Looked great. To this day I know nothing about it. All I remember was something about a mistaken identity and a missing baby. Or something. The thing ended before I even realized it; I'd just ...
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Turn it up
2007-08-13 18:07:00
So the other day I was being ultra-cool and listening to Fleetwood Mac as I drove to the grocery store. I know, I know, such hipness as I cannot be looked upon by mere mortals.Seriously, though, I do like FM. I like all kinds of music. The hubs and I have recently been yeing, of all things, a set of Time-Life CDs, a country music collection with lots of 70s/80s stuff like Crystal Gayle (my parents loved her), Kenny Rogers, Eddie Rabbit of all people, etc. And we want it. As Anna J said, it's what all the hip thirtysomethings are buying these days (this hip thritysomething, btw, turned 34 on Saturday, woe is me.)FM always makes me think of a friend of mine, whose personal theme song is "Gypsy". And it suits her. And so now, when I hear it, I think of her.I've always used music to help define my characters, although I haven't been as good with it of late. I even have one or two characters who don't have a theme song, which is odd to me because that's where they used to come from....
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Epublishing: with Treva Harte, EIC of Loose-ID
2007-08-10 14:34:00
1. Do you have any comment on RWA?s recent re-redefinition of ?Vanity/Subsidy publisher??Loose Id is not a vanity or subsidy publisher by any definition, so RWA's modifications to that policy won't affect us or our authors. 2. What do you think a writer should look for from an epublisher, and how should they expect to be treated?Professionalism and professionally. Look at their website for a start. (I got the following questions thanks to an article one of my fellow Loose Id partners wrote recently.) How long has the company been in business? How many titles does the company release each week? Does the company ever promote old titles? What are the contract terms? Are there any rumors flying around about this company? Does the publisher want books like mine?You may want to check out her article for more info here.(http://fogcitydivas.typepad.com/dis hing_with_the_divas/2007/04/today_i_am_ve ry.html)3. What are the most common mistakes made by authors submitting works for consideratio...
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Just a quickie
2007-08-08 22:23:00
My guest blogger is dragging heels, so hopefully that will be ready next week,So this is just a quick one. We've had a very nice day today, although the birthday cake I made didn't turn out quite as pretty as I'd hoped. Stupid fan ovens are the bane of my existence. They dry everything out (although not the cake, as I've learned to add a little extra liquid) and, especially bad for cakes, make everything bake uneven on the tops. HATE THEM. I forgot to turn the bottom cake upside down for frosting (bright pink) so it ended up like some sort of insane Barbie-land mushroom.We went to Forbidden Planet in Bristol, where Princess decided there was something she MUST have:It's what all the fashionable six-year-olds are wearing these days, and since it was her birthday, we gave it to her. We're not sure why she loves Ghost Rider so much, but she does. She draws him too.And I got a darling pair of shoes, very unlike me because they're wedge heels but I couldn't resist them, they are ...

Once again, life gets in the way
2007-08-06 13:54:00
Sorry everyone, I owed you a post on Friday and was a no-show. Life has intruded, in the form of a WIP that's kicking my ASS. And a husband. And two children.Which, btw, the Princess turns six on Wednesday, so I will be unavailable most of that day too. We're taking her to Bristol where she can pick out something at Toys R Us and build her own bear at Cribb's Causeway, which is a big mall--the only one anywhere nearby, as far as we know. And I'm going to bake her a yellow cake from scratch, since they don't have yellow or white cake mix here (I don't like chocolate cake. So nobody in my family gets chocolate cakes. I'm cruel that way.)But, I do hopefully have a really fun guest blogger for you on Wed.--so check back. Also, the publishing interviews have started coming back, so look for Treva Harte's here on Friday.The WIP is around 25k words now, and I think it's finally starting to really swing for me. I actually think it's all very good--probably the best thing I've eve...

Watching the detectives
2007-08-01 17:51:00
Well...sort of anyway. But I couldn't resist the title.Hubs and I are becoming acquainted once again with the magic of television, all thanks to DVD and a multi-region player. We've been watching Dexter of late, and are eagerly awaiting the first series on DVD, which should be winging its way across the ocean to us.Maybe one of these days the Royal Mail will stop its incessant striking and actually deliver it to us, wonder of wonders.So. Loving Dexter. Especially the intense Miami versimilitude. Everybody looks sweaty all the time, which is exactly the way people in Miami actually look. The murder scene in the first episode was a hotel here the hubs actually stayed once. The second looked to me like Bayside, where I used to go with some coworkers if it rained and so we got the day off (we worked on the beach selling drinks from trailers.) Sigh, I do miss Miami.Also just started watching Heroes, which kicks serious ass. The first season comes out on DVD August 28, so we'll be gett...
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Stuff!
2007-07-30 11:49:00
First, the most important thing. I have added an Amber Alert ticker to my sidebar. Mine is the US code; there is one for Canada as well.I urge all of you to click on the button, or the link above, and add it too, and make a donation if you can. Second, Anna J. and I got the cover for our January EC release, Demon's Triad. Check it out:It's a pretty hot cover, no? Except I hate the chick's tacky earrings and necklace. The tank top isn't great either. But all in all, I think it's awesome. Very sexy, very reflective of the mood of the book. (Yes, this is the one we think will be X rated.)AND, the latest issue of JERR (Just Erotic Romance Reviews) came out, and Blood Will Tell got a 5-STAR review!"Explosive, orgasmic, riveting are just a few adjectives that describe Blood Will Tell by December Quinn. Ms. Quinn has taken an age-old tale, thrown in modern day lust and action, and has written a story with enough drama and sex to keep you rooted to your spot until the last word is rea...
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Okay, ask those questions!
2007-07-27 14:08:00
I have a final line-up for my August publishing series!The following ladies have generously and graciously agreed to answer your questions:Raelene Gorlinsky, Publisher, Ellora's CaveTina Burns, Acquisitions Director, Liquid Silver BooksTreva Harte, Co-owner and Editor-in-Chief, Loose-IdAngela James, Executive Editor, Samhain Publishing Y'all, I am so excited about this, and totally honored they've consented to give their time to my readers, so let's think of some really good questions!Leave yours in the comments. As I said before, I'd like to avoid if possible questions like "What are you looking for". But anything about publishing, the publishing process, their feelings on legitimate publishers and what a writer should look for, what they feel sets their company apart, or anything else you can think of, PLEASE don't be shy!I'll be picking seven questions or so, compiling them on Monday, and sending them along, so don't miss out on your chance! And check back here every Frid...
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The Extra Bits
2007-07-25 17:07:00
So my total word count as far as words written for the new demon book is about 12,000.The total word count that's actually still in the manuscript? 5,000.I've never stop/started and cut as much as this in the beginning, but since the rest of the book is much better planned than it usually is (I'm a pantser, so I usually have good beginnings planned and then the story peters out into the ether) I figure it will even out in the end.And the good news is, some of the stuff I've cut isn't bad. I think some of it is simply later in the book.So it's all going into my "Rewriteable" file. I keep one of these for every book I do. In some it's only a scene or two long. In others (like this one) it's pages and pages.Personal Demons's rewrite file is about 23,000 words, all told. Quite a few entire scenes, and some snippets of conversation I cut because it didn't move the story forward but I liked the lines so much I figured I'd hang on to them in case they became useful later.Some of...
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Rainy days and Mondays...
2007-07-23 19:29:00
We have officially had over two months of rain here. There's been one or two isolated days with no rain (I think) but aside from that, just rain. Which is actually okay by me, as it hasn't been hot.I have been fairly absent from the blogosphere since Friday. First I had to go get my Potter book, of course. Then stay up half the night reading it. Then finish it Saturday. Then absorb, etc. Frankly, my head has been so full of Potter lately I'm amazed I've gotten anything done.But I have! I started my fifth Chapter One on the demons sequel, and it's finally, I think, acceptable. Better than acceptable, even, I hope. I'm almost done with Chapter Two as well, so yay me! So that's where I've been. Reading/thinking about Harry, or working.Did anyone else read Harry? The first reviews for Blood Will Tell are starting to trickle in. Two Lips Reviews (No, I didn't pay for a review, and they've discontinued that policy--I think they honestly believed they were doing something nice) g...
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Find the right publisher (Part Five)
2007-07-20 14:04:00
So, after a short break last week, we are back!This is just a shorter post, a general round-up of a few things I'm not sure I touched on. But keep checking back on Fridays, if you've been following the series, as I have some things planned for August that I'm very excited about, and I may need your help too!So we've talked about how to examine and evaluate publisher websites, how to research a publisher, and whether or not it's a good idea in general to submit to a brand-new publisher. The issue of RWA recognition has of course been eliminated, so there's no need to discuss it further, but I thought of a few more things to keep an eye out for, as they are possible/probable Red Flags:Calls for Submissions are something to watch; does the publisher keep changing its lines? I don't mean deciding to do a special summer series or set of anthologies, I mean are they asking for new things every month? Are they suddenly starting an erotic line, an inspirational line, a manga-inspired...
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Let's start at the very beginning...
2007-07-18 18:20:00
A very good place to start.Unfortunately, you can't start a book with "Do re mi." You have to start it with something that makes sense and is exciting and grabs the reader and has action and drama and pathos and wit...blah blah blah.I have started my fourth version of the Personal Demons sequel. I hesitate to mention its new title lest I discover, as I did with the last one, that someone else has taken it. (Google might help there, I'll give that a go.)Anyway. I lked the first three versions. I liked all of them. I thought that was where the story started, but it turns out I was wrong.I hate starting new books. Nothing is scarier than writing those first lines--at least, not when the pressure is on.Usually I just go ahead and start. Anywhere near the beginning is fine, because sooner or later, usually within that first chapter somewhere (although occasionally it's been as late as the third), the actual start of the book will reveal itself. "That's your goddamn opening!" a voice ...
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A Quickie Update
2007-07-16 19:32:00
Today is the hubs' birthday, so I'm just popping in quickly with a few little updates.1. The RWA is beginning its backpedal, as fast as its expensively shod little feet can carry it. They're forming a Task Force to learn more about epublishing. Better late then never? Yes, but it shouldn't have been late at all. If you're going to set rules regarding an industry, you should educate yourself first.2. The Eighth Wand, my novel for Ellora's Cave's Torrid Tarot series, will be released October 17, 2007. Yay! I'm nervous about this one--yeah, I'm nervous about all of them, but this one makes me different because it is different from my usual stuff. My two main characters are much, much more serious people than most of my H/hs--less joking, more angst. As I've said before, I was dealing with some feelings of isolation and unhappiness when I was writing it, so although it pokes some fun at a few archetypes (pagan "fluffy bunnies"*, take cover), overall it's not a particularly fu...
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We Interrupt this Program
2007-07-13 17:08:00
I planned to do a final "Choosing a Publisher" post today--on other warning signs that a publisher is losing its hold--followed by some exciting news for the rest of the summer Fridays. But I feel the need to post about this new RWA debacle, so I hope you'll all tune in next Friday for the Publisher post.My regular readers know that for some time I've been vocal about the need for RWA to get much stricter about what publishers it deems "Recognized" or "Approved" or whatever. (here) for example). So it was with quite a bit of trepidation that I saw on Wednesday evening that RWA did just what I thought they should do...Except, NOT.On the surface, I agree with the changes. These are the new standards:"After much research, member input, discussion and deliberation, the Board has determined that the blanket application of ?Publisher Recognition? to allocate RWA?s resources is not serving its members, many of whom mistakenly perceive that RWA is placing a ?stamp of approval? on these pu...
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It's OUT!!!
2007-07-11 15:16:00
Wheeee!!!Blood Will Tell is available on the EC site! Buy it here!*jumping up and down*My book is out! My book is out!Did I mention my CONTEST?I've put (among other things) a small reference to "The Breakfast Club" in this book. It's actually more of an allusion, but let's not quibble.Find the reference. Email it to me (you don't have to give the page number or scene, just quote the line or paraphrase it for me, whatever you like.) Do this before August 11 and be entered to win a $20 Amazon gift certificate!I'm so excited! (Can you tell?)

...Looks like I too have now been struck by the Bl...
2007-07-10 20:24:00
...Look s like I too have now been struck by the Blogger-won't-let-you-title-your-post ghost.Just a quickie here, my post is up over at Bam's blog, so go check it out and get yourself another chance to win Blood Will Tell!
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Blood Will Tell releases Wednesday!
2007-07-09 14:40:00
And I'm all in a tizzy. Part of me thinks it's a great book, part of me is convinced everyone will hate it, that the dialogue I thought was sharp and clever will just sound stupid, etc. etc. But it comes out on Wednesday anyway and I am very, very excited!So not much of a post today. Tomorrow I'm blogging over at Bam's (although I have no idea what to blog about, so if you want to suggest a topic that would be great!) So you can read a real post from me there tomorrow, because today I'm taking advantage of this last chance to urge everyone to join my Yahoo group! Joining enters you in a conest to win a free release-day copy of the book, so don't be shy!And here's another little excerpt too. Julian and cecelia are dining together, and he's just offered to let her stay at his house to protect her from the vampires who want her dead:?I guess I don?t have much choice, do I???We all have choices. You just only have one right choice.??I still don?t really trust you. I don?t think ...
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Find the right publisher (Part Four)
2007-07-06 14:17:00
The Honeymoon PeriodI see the same sad story all the time, and so have you if you've spent any time in writing communities.A new publisher opens. Their site looks good, they post Calls for Submissions in all the big places, they seem intelligent and enthusiastic.Writer X sends them a book, and it's accepted. Instantly, whenever this publisher--let's call them Books of Love, because I don't know of any publisher with that name and doubt it would be used, because it's pretty awful--whenever Books of Love are mentioned on any forum or in any chat, instantly Writer X pops up to say how happy s/he is, how great everyone at BoL is, how professional they are. Often this is echoed by several other Xs, all saying the same thing.Here's the problem(s). One, unless Writer X is already published with several other places, they really can't say how professional BoL is, because they have nothing to compare it to. Two, being "great and nice" is, well, great and nice, but doesn't mean the st...
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Just a quickie, I'm afraid
2007-07-04 14:32:00
Today is the 4th of July.When I was a kid this was a big deal, despite the fact that it pretty much rained every year. My brother and I would watch it glumly all day, praying it would clear up by nightfall so we could go outside and draw colored shapes in the air with sparklers, and use a punk to light those black snakes (the only fireworks we were usually allowed to light), while Dad set off the big stuff and the dog cowered terrified inside.On the Bicentennial we went to a local park (whose name I've been trying to remember all damn morning and can't, and apparently the name has changed because Google doesn't help). My parents laid out the Snoopy sheet we used for picnics and to make tents, and we all sat on it and watched what promised to be The Greatest Fireworks Display Ever. I remember it was pretty cool, too, although being only almost 4 I was awfully tired. We used to be in awe of Bicentennial quarters, too, with the soldier on the back and the flag? That was coool, man. ...
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Is it Monday already?
2007-07-02 17:48:00
Man, where did that weekend go? I fully intend to continue my "Choosing a publisher" series, but I'm not continuing it today (as I said, I'll probably do it on Friday and it will likely run all summer). I'm not sure why, since I have no other topics prepared (note to self: when compiling blog ideas in a file, don't drunkenly jot down something and assume I'll remember) but those posts are long and complex to write and as I'm just about to finish a novella I'm working on I don't want to lose the flow. So we'll be quick today. Sort of.Everyone is gearing up for the big RWA conference next week, and I'm gearing up for my first EC novel release next week (Wednesday), so it seems we're in a bit of a lull. Nobody's writing, nobody's submitting, nobody's leaping on submissions (I assume) because soon it will be time to fly off to the conference.I've never been to a writing conference of any kind, except for that panel where I acted like a big dork at DragonCon. But that's n...
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Find the right publisher (Part Three)
2007-06-29 12:03:00
Note: It looks like this may not be our final post in the series. :-) So look for more in the next few weeks.Okay. You've found a publisher who interests you. You've checked out their site and found it appealing. The excerpts are good. The covers are nice. The stories look interesting. The purchasing process worked well.So now it's time to start digging. A site can look great, but there may be darkness lurking beneath it. Darkness that could have serious implications for your career.Your first stop should be Piers Anthony's Internet Publishing Index. (Note his disclaimer there, below the photo.)Mr. Anthony collects scuttlebut from hundreds of anonymous authors, editors, and publishers, and updates his list quarterly.I'm not going to direct you to a specific letter of the alphabet or publisher here; but do take some time and look around. Remember these reports are often subjective, but pay attention.The following is a list of what I consider to be red flags on the Index:*Reports...
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Find the right publisher (Part Two)
2007-06-27 11:39:00
Okay, so on Monday we looked at print publisher websites and learned a bit (hopefully) about what to look for. But epubs are different, so we?re going to look at an epub site today and see what we see.For the legitimate epub site, I?ve chosen Liquid Silver Books. I chose them because I?m not published with them (so this doesn?t look like a plug) and because they?re not currently RWA-approved, and because I know for a fact they?re legit and have a stellar reputation. I have a lot of friends published at LSB.Epubs almost always have a submissions link on the first page. (See it? Bottom left.) However, notice it?s still not a huge link right under their logo & slogan. It looks professional; they?re not trying to grab anything or make you submit before you?ve looked at the site. What matters most still matters here: this site is clearly aimed at selling books to the public. See, the ?Cart? is right at the top, as is the list of genres.What else do we notice?*No typos*Professional-looki...
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Find the right publisher (Part One)
2007-06-25 15:41:00
Okay, so since this is a question that comes up a lot, I decided to do several posts (of which this is the first) on checking out publishers.A lot of writers give writing advice. I personally don?t think I?ve achieved anywhere near the kind of success that would make people yearn for my words on that subject. You won?t see me doing workshops anytime soon, anywhere?if I ever do, which I most likely wouldn?t.But I do know rather a lot about how to spot a scam publisher or one that won?t necessarily advance your career, and since this is a topic I?ve blogged about off and on since the beginning of this blog and one I care a lot about, I decided to give it a go.Several months ago on a different site, one of my friends asked about an anthology and whether it was worth submitting to. I?m going to use that particular publisher as an example of a legitimate, if small, press.For the bad? I?ll use the Champion Scammers, Publish America.(Note: None of my comment are absolute absolutes, as you?...
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Misplaced Loyalty
2007-06-21 14:42:00
So, as I'm sure quite a few of you know, Triskelion Publishing is closing and filing Chapter 7 bankruptcy as of July 2.All contracts with them are now frozen. Rights to contracted books and rights to published books are considered assets and are also frozen.What this means is, a whole bunch of authors are fucked at this particular moment in time.Blame is, of course, flying around the internet, as well as heartfelt sorrow.I buy both, but they both piss me off too.It pisses me off to see author blogs mentioning how sorry they are for their "sister authors". Some of those posting are the same ones who were so vehement in their defense of Triskelion over the last few months. The ones who showed up on other blogs to castigate and blame, to insist that anyone who had issues with Triskelion was merely "unable to accept editing".Still more are the ones who refused to pass on "gossip". Who may have mentioned the company on their blogs, but only to mention how shameful the whole email scanda...
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