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"The Mother of All Energy Paradigm Shifts"
2007-08-22 18:45:00 Go Green and Save Money By Thomas L. FriedmanThe New York TimesHave your eyes recently popped out of your head when you opened your electric bill? Do you, like me, live in one of those states where electricity has been deregulated and the state no longer oversees the generation price so your utility rates have skyrocketed since 2002?If so, you need to listen to a proposal being aired by Jim Rogers, the chairman and chief executive of Duke Energy , and recently filed with the North Carolina Utilities Commission. (Duke Energy is headquartered in Charlotte.) It’s called “save-a-watt,” and it aims to turn the electricity/utility industry upside down by rewarding utilities for the kilowatts they save customers by improving their energy efficiency rather than rewarding them for the kilowatts they sell customers by building more power plants.Mr. Rogers’s proposal is based on three simple principles. The first is that the cheapest way to generate clean, emissions-free power is by imp... More About: Mother
In Case You Missed It ...
2007-08-22 06:45:00 U.S. foreign policy experts oppose Bush's surge: Reuters reports that "more than half of top U.S. foreign policy experts oppose President George W. Bush's troop increase as a strategy for stabilizing Baghdad, saying the plan has harmed U.S. national security, according to a new survey...."Army Specialist Buddhika Jayamaha, Sergeant Wesley D. Smith, Sergeant Jeremy Roebuck, Sergeant Omar Mora, Sergeant Edward Sandmeier, Staff Sergeant Yance T. Gray and Staff Sergeant Jeremy A. Murphy report The War as We Saw It for the New York Times: "VIEWED from Iraq at the tail end of a 15-month deployment, the political debate in Washington is indeed surreal. Counterinsurgency is, by definition, a competition between insurgents and counterinsurgents for the control and support of a population. To believe that Americans, with an occupying force that long ago outlived its reluctant welcome, can win over a recalcitrant local population and win this counterinsurgency is far-fetched...."Technorati... More About: Case
Matt Cooper Says Rove DID Leak Valerie Plame's Identity To Him
2007-08-22 05:23:00 Crooks and Liars reports: "Following Karl Rove ’s appearance this morning on “Meet The Press” David Gregory (who is involved in the Plame scandal. More on that later.) held a round table discussion which included former Time Magazine reporter Matt Cooper . Cooper, who was dead center in the Valerie Plame scandal, stops just short of calling Karl Rove a liar, insisting that he did, in fact, leak Valerie Plame’s name to him in 2003...." For transcript, video and more CLICK HERE.Technorati tags: Crooks and Liars, Plamegate, Valerie Plame, Joe Wilson, David Gregory, Matt Cooper, news, video More About: Identity , Leak
Online Voters Pick Kucinich as Winner of ABC Debate
2007-08-22 05:16:00 Hat Tip to Crooks and Liars.Technorati tags: Crooks and Liars, ABC Presidential Debate , Dennis Kucinich, polls More About: Online , Winner , Pick , Voters
War's Chilling Reality
2007-08-22 05:11:00 Bob Herbert reports that "a new documentary offers a portrait of combat and its aftermath that bears no relation to the sanitized version of war that often comes from politicians and the news media."War's Chilling Reality By Bob HerbertThe New York TimesBryan Anderson, a 25-year-old Army sergeant who was wounded in Iraq, was explaining, on camera — to James Gandolfini, of all people — what happened immediately after a roadside bomb blew up the Humvee that he was driving.“I was like, ‘Oh, we got hit. We got hit.’ And then I had blood on my face and the flies were landing all over my face. So I wiped my face to get rid of the flies. And that is when I noticed that my fingertip was gone. So I was like, ‘Oh. O.K.’“So that is when I started really assessing myself. I was like, ‘That’s not bad.’ And then I turned my hand over, and I noticed that this chunk of my hand was gone. So I was like, ‘O.K., still not bad. I can live with that.’“And then when I went to w... More About: Ality
New-Fangled Bank Runs
2007-08-22 03:25:00 The Krug Man reports that "new-fashioned bank runs" are "at the heart of the current financial crisis."It's a Miserable LifeBy Paul KrugmanThe New York TimesLast week the scene at branches of Countrywide Bank , with crowds of agitated depositors trying to withdraw their money, looked a bit like the bank run in the classic holiday movie “It’s a Wonderful Life.”As it happens, Countrywide’s customers were overreacting. True, the bank is owned by Countrywide Financial, the nation’s largest mortgage lender — and mortgage lenders are in big trouble these days. But bank deposits up to $100,000 are protected by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation. Old-fashioned bank runs just don’t make sense these days.New-fashioned bank runs, on the other hand, do make sense — and they’re at the heart of the current financial crisis.The key to understanding what’s happening is taking a broad view of what constitutes a bank. From an economic perspective, a bank is any institution ... More About: Runs , Angle , Fang
Read Between the Lines ...
2007-08-22 01:31:00 US to Give Israel Record Military Aid: "The United States offered Israel an unprecedented $30 billion of military aid over 10 years on Thursday, bolstering its closest Mideast ally and ensuring the state's military edge over its neighbors long into the future. ����The package was meant in part to offset U.S. plans to offer Saudi Arabia advanced weapons and air systems that would greatly improve the Arab country's air force. Israel has said it has no opposition to the Saudi aid. ����The deal represents a 25 percent rise in U.S. military aid to Israel, from a current $2.4 billion a year to $3 billion a year over the next 10 years...."Technorati tags: US Government, Foreign Policy, International Relations, Israel, Saudi Arabia, news More About: Read , Lines , Ween
Take Al Qaeda to Court
2007-08-21 19:19:00 KELLY ANNE MOORE (NYTimes) reports that "the United States does not need a new and untested detention system for terrorists.......... While being held in military custody, Jose Padilla was denied due process for more than three years because of assertions that his case was too difficult or sensitive for the federal courts. His conviction last week demonstrated otherwise. The transfer of his case to a federal court could have and should have occurred much earlier.Many people around the world have come to question America’s commitment to the rule of law. There are few places in the world where that principle is more hallowed than in the United States federal courts. The best course of action now, in dealing with terrorism suspects, is to use these courts — the keystone of American jurisprudence — and show the world that America can protect itself while it respects the rule of law."Technorati tags: New York Times, Kelly Anne Moore, Terrorism, US Justice System, Prisons and Pris... More About: Al Qaeda , Al-Qaeda , Court , Qaeda
A Not-So-Fond Farewell to Rove
2007-08-19 19:43:00 Bill Moyers bids a not-so-fond farewell to Karl Rove , who "figured out a long time ago that the way to take an intellectually incurious draft-averse naughty playboy in a flight jacket with chewing tobacco in his back pocket and make him governor of Texas, was to sell him as God's anointed in a state where preachers and televangelists outnumber even oil derricks and jack rabbits." For transcript, go to Truthout.org.Technorati tags: Bill Moyers, Bill Moyers Journal, Karl Rove, YouTube, video, news More About: Video , News , Youtube , Bill Moyers
A Not-So-Fond Farewell to Rove
2007-08-19 19:43:00 Bill Moyers bids a not-so-fond farewell to Karl Rove , who "figured out a long time ago that the way to take an intellectually incurious draft-averse naughty playboy in a flight jacket with chewing tobacco in his back pocket and make him governor of Texas, was to sell him as God's anointed in a state where preachers and televangelists outnumber even oil derricks and jack rabbits." For transcript, go to Truthout.org.Technorati tags: Bill Moyers, Bill Moyers Journal, Karl Rove, YouTube, video, news More About: Farewell , Fare , Well , Fond
News Unreported By "The Most Trusted Name in News"
2007-08-19 18:04:00 Rick Jacobs (The Huffington Post): Blackwater West "...How long before we see Blackwater's trained killers turning up in metropolitan Los Angeles after an earthquake or fire, uninvited, soliciting work? On May 1, 2007, we saw what happens when a well-trained police force gets out of control. Imagine what will happen if a bunch of former special operations soldiers, who are trained to kill show up in an urban setting. And then, say no to Blackwater. We can't have them here. Not now. Not ever.Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility: "The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency increasingly relies upon corporate research joint ventures, according to agency documents released today by Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER). These corporate partnerships are on the rise as EPA research funding is on the wane, magnifying the effects of diversions of resources away from public health priorities toward regulatory topics that serve commercial bottom lines...."NY Tim... More About: News
News Unreported By "The Most Trusted Name in News"
2007-08-19 18:04:00 Rick Jacobs (The Huffington Post): Blackwater West "...How long before we see Blackwater's trained killers turning up in metropolitan Los Angeles after an earthquake or fire, uninvited, soliciting work? On May 1, 2007, we saw what happens when a well-trained police force gets out of control. Imagine what will happen if a bunch of former special operations soldiers, who are trained to kill show up in an urban setting. And then, say no to Blackwater. We can't have them here. Not now. Not ever.Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility: "The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency increasingly relies upon corporate research joint ventures, according to agency documents released today by Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility (PEER). These corporate partnerships are on the rise as EPA research funding is on the wane, magnifying the effects of diversions of resources away from public health priorities toward regulatory topics that serve commercial bottom lines...."NY Tim... More About: News , Politics , Bush , Government , Iran
Iraq? Friedman Doesn't See It
2007-08-19 05:26:00 Seeing Is BelievingBy Thomas L. FriedmanThe New York TimesIs the surge in Iraq working? That is the question that Gen. David Petraeus and U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker will answer for us next month. I, alas, am not interested in their opinions.It is not because I don?t hold both men in very high regard. I do. But I?m still not interested in their opinions. I?m only interested in yours. Yes, you ? the person reading this column. You know more than you think.You see, I have a simple view about both Arab-Israeli peace-making and Iraqi surge-making, and it goes like this: Any Arab-Israeli peace overture that requires a Middle East expert to explain to you is not worth considering. It?s going nowhere.Either a peace overture is so obvious and grabs you in the gut ? Anwar Sadat?s trip to Israel ? or it?s going nowhere. That is why the Saudi-Arab League peace overture is going nowhere. No emotional content. It was basically faxed to the Israeli people, and people don?t give up land for peace... More About: Politics , Bush , Government , Foreign Policy
Iraq? Friedman Doesn't See It
2007-08-19 05:26:00 Seeing Is BelievingBy Thomas L. FriedmanThe New York TimesIs the surge in Iraq working? That is the question that Gen. David Petraeus and U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker will answer for us next month. I, alas, am not interested in their opinions.It is not because I don’t hold both men in very high regard. I do. But I’m still not interested in their opinions. I’m only interested in yours. Yes, you — the person reading this column. You know more than you think.You see, I have a simple view about both Arab-Israeli peace-making and Iraqi surge-making, and it goes like this: Any Arab-Israeli peace overture that requires a Middle East expert to explain to you is not worth considering. It’s going nowhere.Either a peace overture is so obvious and grabs you in the gut — Anwar Sadat’s trip to Israel — or it’s going nowhere. That is why the Saudi-Arab League peace overture is going nowhere. No emotional content. It was basically faxed to the Israeli people, and people don’t gi...
Rove: Gone But Not Forgotten
2007-08-19 05:05:00 He Got Out While the Getting Was GoodBy Frank RichThe New York TimesBACK in those heady days of late summer 2002, Andrew Card, then the president's chief of staff, told The New York Times why the much-anticipated push for war in Iraq hadn't yet arrived. "You don't introduce new products in August," he said, sounding like the mouthpiece for the Big Three automakers he once was. Sure enough, with an efficiency Detroit can only envy, the manufactured aluminum tubes and mushroom clouds rolled off the White House assembly line after Labor Day like clockwork. Five summers later, we have the flip side of the Card corollary: You do recall defective products in August, whether you're Mattel or the Bush administration. Karl Rove 's departure was both abrupt and fast. The ritualistic "for the sake of my family" rationale convinced no one, and the decision to leak the news in a friendly print interview (on The Wall Street Journal's op-ed page) rather than announce it in a White House spo... More About: Forgotten
Rove: Gone But Not Forgotten
2007-08-19 05:05:00 He Got Out While the Getting Was GoodBy Frank Rich The New York TimesBACK in those heady days of late summer 2002, Andrew Card, then the president's chief of staff, told The New York Times why the much-anticipated push for war in Iraq hadn't yet arrived. "You don't introduce new products in August," he said, sounding like the mouthpiece for the Big Three automakers he once was. Sure enough, with an efficiency Detroit can only envy, the manufactured aluminum tubes and mushroom clouds rolled off the White House assembly line after Labor Day like clockwork. Five summers later, we have the flip side of the Card corollary: You do recall defective products in August, whether you're Mattel or the Bush administration. Karl Rove 's departure was both abrupt and fast. The ritualistic "for the sake of my family" rationale convinced no one, and the decision to leak the news in a friendly print interview (on The Wall Street Journal's op-ed page) rather than announce it in a White House spo... More About: Politics , Government
Commerce, Treasury Funds Helped Boost GOP Campaigns
2007-08-18 04:37:00 More corruption, folks....Marisa Taylor and Kevin G. Hall (McClatchy Newspapers) report:"Top Commerce and Treasury Departments officials appeared with Republican candidates and doled out millions in federal money in battleground congressional districts and states after receiving White House political briefings detailing GOP election strategy.Political appointees in the Treasury Department received at least 10 political briefings from July 2001 to August 2006, officials familiar with the meetings said. Their counterparts at the Commerce Department received at least four briefings — all in the election years of 2002, 2004 and 2006.The House Oversight Committee is investigating whether the White House's political briefings to at least 15 agencies, including to the Justice Department, the General Services Administration and the State Department, violated a ban on the use of government resources for campaign activities...." Thanks to Al B. for the heads up.Technorati tags: U.S. Commer... More About: Campaigns , Boost , Funds
Commerce, Treasury Funds Helped Boost GOP Campaigns
2007-08-18 04:37:00 More corruption, folks....Marisa Taylor and Kevin G. Hall (McClatchy News papers) report:"Top Commerce and Treasury Departments officials appeared with Republican candidates and doled out millions in federal money in battleground congressional districts and states after receiving White House political briefings detailing GOP election strategy.Political appointees in the Treasury Department received at least 10 political briefings from July 2001 to August 2006, officials familiar with the meetings said. Their counterparts at the Commerce Department received at least four briefings ? all in the election years of 2002, 2004 and 2006.The House Oversight Committee is investigating whether the White House's political briefings to at least 15 agencies, including to the Justice Department, the General Services Administration and the State Department, violated a ban on the use of government resources for campaign activities...." Thanks to Al B. for the heads up.Technorati tags: U.S. Commerce... More About: Elections , Bush administration , Corruption
FBI Director's Notes Contradict Gonzales's Version Of Ashcroft Visit
2007-08-17 21:14:00 You won't be surprised by this:Dan Eggen (WAPO) reports:"Then-Attorney General John D. Ashcroft was "feeble," "barely articulate" and "stressed" moments after a hospital room confrontation in March 2004 with Alberto R. Gonzales, who wanted Ashcroft to approve a warrantless wiretapping program over Justice Department objections, according to notes from FBI...."Update:Judges May Release Wiretap DocumentsEric Lichtblau of the New York Times reports that a secret intelligence court may consider an "unprecedented" request by the American Civil Liberties Union to unseal highly classified terrorist surveillance documents. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court ordered the government to respond on the issue by August 31. NYTimes: The Founders Had an Idea for Handling Alberto GonzalesMatt Renner | Notes Show Ashcroft Kept in Dark on Spying: "Notes from FBI Dire ctor Robert Mueller, released Thursday by Congress, revealed that Bush administration officials may have prevented Attorney Ge... More About: Visit , Version
FBI Director's Notes Contradict Gonzales's Version Of Ashcroft Visit
2007-08-17 21:14:00 You won't be surprised by this:Dan Eggen (WAPO) reports:"Then-Attorney General John D. Ashcroft was "feeble," "barely articulate" and "stressed" moments after a hospital room confrontation in March 2004 with Alberto R. Gonzales, who wanted Ashcroft to approve a warrantless wiretapping program over Justice Department objections, according to notes from FBI...."Update:Judges May Release Wiretap DocumentsEric Lichtblau of the New York Times reports that a secret intelligence court may consider an "unprecedented" request by the American Civil Liberties Union to unseal highly classified terrorist surveillance documents. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court ordered the government to respond on the issue by August 31. NYTimes: The Founders Had an Idea for Handling Alberto Gonzales Matt Renner | Notes Show Ashcroft Kept in Dark on Spying: "Notes from FBI Director Robert Mueller, released Thursday by Congress, revealed that Bush administration officials may have prevented Attorney Ge... More About: News , White House
Reality Based Solutions
2007-08-17 18:54:00 The Krug Man warns that "the housing slump will probably be with us for years, not months." What can we do about it? Read on.Workouts, Not BailoutBy Paul Krugman The New York TimesIn April, Henry Paulson, the Treasury secretary, declared that all the signs he saw indicated that the housing market was ?at or near the bottom.? Earlier this month he was still insisting that problems caused by the meltdown in the market for subprime mortgages were ?largely contained.?But the time for denial is past.According to data released yesterday, both housing starts and applications for building permits have fallen to their lowest levels in a decade, showing that home construction is still in free fall. And if historical relationships are any guide, home prices are still way too high. The housing slump will probably be with us for years, not months.Meanwhile, it?s becoming clear that the mortgage problem is anything but contained. For one thing, it?s not confined to subprime mortgages, which are ... More About: Politics , Economy , Government , Reality
Reality Based Solutions
2007-08-17 18:54:00 The Krug Man warns that "the housing slump will probably be with us for years, not months." What can we do about it? Read on.Workouts, Not BailoutBy Paul KrugmanThe New York TimesIn April, Henry Paulson, the Treasury secretary, declared that all the signs he saw indicated that the housing market was “at or near the bottom.” Earlier this month he was still insisting that problems caused by the meltdown in the market for subprime mortgages were “largely contained.”But the time for denial is past.According to data released yesterday, both housing starts and applications for building permits have fallen to their lowest levels in a decade, showing that home construction is still in free fall. And if historical relationships are any guide, home prices are still way too high. The housing slump will probably be with us for years, not months.Meanwhile, it’s becoming clear that the mortgage problem is anything but contained. For one thing, it’s not confined to subprime mortgages... More About: Reality , Solutions , Ality
Kucinich Sounds the Alarm
2007-08-17 03:13:00 ?An Attempt to Deceive Americans Into Yet Another War?John Nichols (The Nation) reports:Dennis Kucinich may not be a front runner in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination.But the congressman from Cleveland has succeeded in distinguishing himself from the other contenders when it comes to speaking those truths that are self-evident.And in an era of mass delusion and denial on the party of leaders in both major political parties, stating the obvious can be a radical act.Such is the case with Kucinich's appropriate answer to the latest move by the Bush-Cheney administration to ramp up hostilities with Iran. That move -- the unprecedented attempt to label Iran's 125,000-strong Republican Guard as a "specially designated global terrorist" group -- is, as the congressman says "nothing more than an attempt to deceive Americans into yet another war -- this time with Iran."No one who has paid even the slightest attention to the Bush-Cheney administration's approach to Middle... More About: Sounds , Alarm , The Alarm , The A
Kucinich Sounds the Alarm
2007-08-17 03:13:00 “An Attempt to Deceive Americans Into Yet Another War”John Nichols (The Nation) reports:Dennis Kucinich may not be a front runner in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination.But the congressman from Cleveland has succeeded in distinguishing himself from the other contenders when it comes to speaking those truths that are self-evident.And in an era of mass delusion and denial on the party of leaders in both major political parties, stating the obvious can be a radical act.Such is the case with Kucinich's appropriate answer to the latest move by the Bush-Cheney administration to ramp up hostilities with Iran. That move -- the unprecedented attempt to label Iran's 125,000-strong Republican Guard as a "specially designated global terrorist" group -- is, as the congressman says "nothing more than an attempt to deceive Americans into yet another war -- this time with Iran."No one who has paid even the slightest attention to the Bush-Cheney administration's approach to Mi... More About: Sounds , Alarm , The Alarm
How Secure is Your Vote?
2007-08-16 04:25:00 'DAN RATHER REPORTS' to Present Conclusive Evidence of Touch-Screen Voting Machine Failures:DAN RATHER REPORTS presents conclusive evidence of the failure of touch screen voting machines across the country. The episode below, ?The Trouble with Touch Screens,? is an entire hour devoted to new information on this story. From scientists involved in testing the equipment to manufacturers in third-world countries who shipped these defective voting machines to the United States, DAN RATHER REPORTS presents new information showing that these defective machines may have altered the outcome of multiple elections.For more information, click here and here.Watch Dan Rather 's "The Trouble with Touchscreens" below. Hat tip to bradblog.com.Technorati tags: Diebold, ES&S, Election Irregularities, Sequoia Voting Systems, Voting System Certification, Touch-Screen Vote Hopping, FL-13, Vote fraud, Dan Rather, Video , Documentary , film More About: Film
How Secure is Your Vote?
2007-08-16 04:25:00 'DAN RATHER REPORTS' to Present Conclusive Evidence of Touch-Screen Voting Machine Failures:DAN RATHER REPORTS presents conclusive evidence of the failure of touch screen voting machines across the country. The episode below, “The Trouble with Touch Screens,” is an entire hour devoted to new information on this story. From scientists involved in testing the equipment to manufacturers in third-world countries who shipped these defective voting machines to the United States, DAN RATHER REPORTS presents new information showing that these defective machines may have altered the outcome of multiple elections.For more information, click here and here.Watch Dan Rather's "The Trouble with Touchscreens" below. Hat tip to bradblog.com.Technorati tags: Diebold, ES&S, Election Irregularities, Sequoia Voting Systems, Voting System Certification, Touch-Screen Vote Hopping, FL-13, Vote fraud, Dan Rather, Video, Documentary, film More About: Secure
CIA Analyst Discusses Possible Cheney 9/11 Stand-down Order.
2007-08-15 05:48:00 Retired CIA Analyst Ray McGovern discusses the possibility of vice president Cheney issuing a stand-down order that allowed the 9/11 attacks to succeed, on a national talk radio program. Thanks to OpenYourMindsEye for the original post.Technorati tags: Ray McGovern, CIA, 9/11, Cheney, Conspiracies , news, video More About: Video , News , Dick Cheney
CIA Analyst Discusses Possible Cheney 9/11 Stand-down Order.
2007-08-15 05:48:00 Retired CIA Anal yst Ray McGovern discusses the possibility of vice president Cheney issuing a stand-down order that allowed the 9/11 attacks to succeed, on a national talk radio program. Thanks to OpenYourMindsEye for the original post.Technorati tags: Ray McGovern, CIA, 9/11, Cheney, Conspiracies, news, video More About: Order , Stand
U.S. Controller General Says U.S. May Fall
2007-08-15 01:18:00 MUST READ:Raw Story reports: "The US comptroller general David Walker issued a report last week in Chicago in which he likened the present situation in the United States to the Roman Republic or an organization that fails to adapt and 'may not survive.' Nobody reported it. The first report of the speech came today in London's Financial Times...." Cosmic Iguana's response: "Why report that? After all, the big story is Michael Vick's dogfighting thing again."Excepts from the FT's:"The US government is on a ?burning platform? of unsustainable policies and practices with fiscal deficits, chronic healthcare underfunding, immigration and overseas military commitments threatening a crisis if action is not taken soon, the country?s top government inspector has warned.David Walker, comptroller general of the US, issued the unusually downbeat assessment of his country?s future in a report that lays out what he called ?chilling long-term simulations?.These include ?dramatic? tax rises,... More About: News , Economy , Government , General , Controller
Rove Leaves Bush Brainless
More articles from this author:2007-08-14 05:26:00 For Rove , Last Disrespects: Tobin Harshaw and Chris Suellentrop report in the Times blog, The Opinionator: "The good must have been interred with Karl Rove 's resignation letter, because there's not a lot of love for him in blogland today, nor much respect for his reputation as a political mastermind...." Continue reading and follow the links for more.My own opinion is that Rove will wave an official bye bye for the benefit of the unquestioning media while he continues to cook up his own special brand of dirty tricks from some black hole in the universe, never more than a cell phone or email away from his ol' buddy boy Bush . Sabotage of the 2008 election would be right up his alley. My fear is that he'll be working quietly and clandestinely on something far more sinister -- while the media pays no attention, instead obsessing over their latest and greatest breaking murder, catastrophe, rape, missing person, or polar bear story. Ain't America fun?Cartoon: Crooksandliars.comAl... More About: White House , Bush administration 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 |
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