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Hurricane Katrina Woes Continue to Plague Bush Administration
2007-04-29 21:28:00 According to Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), the United States government squandered the offers of international aid which poured in following Hurricane Katrina . The story appeared in today's Washington Post, and it will be interesting to see if it receives the attention it deserves.In one exchange, State Department officials anguished over whether to tell Italy that its shipments of medicine, gauze and other medical supplies spoiled in the elements for weeks after Katrina's landfall on Aug. 29, 2005, and were destroyed. "Tell them we blew it," one disgusted official wrote. But she hedged: "The flip side is just to dispose of it and not come clean. I could be persuaded."How about some accountability? How about explaining why so much money never reached the Mississippi and Louisiana residents in need?Tags: Hurricane Katrina , Bush , Mississippi, Louisiana, government More About: Bush administration , Administration
Calling Current and Former Evangelical Christians
2007-04-28 14:38:00 Like most Americans, I was indoctrinated with Christianity during childhood. In my case, this was a progressive and fairly liberal form of Christianity that bore little resemblance to the fundamentalist or evangelical forms which currently seem so popular. As a result, I have a difficult time understanding the motivation of those who describe themselves as evangelical. In this post, I'd like to pose a few questions to those who currently or previously considered themselves as belonging to an evangelical form of Christianity.To elaborate a bit on the background for the questions that will follow, I should point out that I had virtually no exposure to evangelical Christianity until approximately age 17. The Methodists, Lutherans, Presbyterians, and Catholics I grew up with all shared a common perspective that religion was a private matter. At some level, I think we knew that arguing about differences among the various denominations would accomplish little besides hurt feelings. Relig... More About: Current , Evangelical , Christians , Calling , Call
Secular Humanist First, Atheist Second
2007-04-16 12:30:00 I am an atheist, but I am an atheist because I am first a secular humanist. Atheism is not my starting point but where secular humanism has led me. I focus this blog on criticizing religion and other forms of irrational belief, with Christian extremism spending the most time in my crosshairs. However, it is time to give secular humanism more of the attention it deserves.What is Secular Humanism?Secular Humanism is much broader than atheism and entails many things that atheism does not. This will be easy to grasp if you remember that atheism refers to nothing more than the lack of belief in any sort of gods. So what is secular humanism?Start with humanism itself. According to Paul Kurtz, "Humanism is an ethical, scientific, and philosophical outlook" which can be traced "back to the philosophers and poets of ancient Greece and Rome, Confucian China, and the Charvaka movement in classical India." Humanism is an optimistic stance, entailing "confidence in the power of human beings to s... More About: Atheist , First , Uman , Econ
Fired For Refusing Church
2007-04-09 12:30:00 Christians seem to have such a difficult time understanding what it is like to live as an atheist in such an overwhelmingly Christianized culture. Rather than try to imagine what their own experience would be like if they were to live in a Muslim country as one of a handful of Christians, many prefer to call us evil and dismiss us outright. If we'd just conform to their shared delusion, we'd be accepted. Perhaps we'd even be allowed to keep our jobs.According to this story out of Arkansas, a plumbing company apprentice (who we have no reason to believe is an atheist) is suing his former employer, claiming that he was fired for not going to church. As if that wasn't troubling enough, it seems that the fired plumber was accused of being a drug user, told he could not clear himself through a drug test, and was instead ordered by his employer to attend one of two specific evangelical churches.Christians, what do you think about this? How would you feel if you were ordered to stop go... More About: Church , Sing , Fired
Atheist-Theist Dialogue: One Obstacle
2007-03-28 12:30:00 Is it possible for atheists and theists to have a meaningful dialogue? Forget for a second whether such a dialogue would be beneficial and consider whether it is possible. If so, what might it look like? As atheism becomes more common, this question will be asked even more frequently by both atheists and believers. I see one fairly massive obstacle to such a dialogue, and I am not sure what it will take to overcome it.The obstacle can be illustrated best with the following quote from Daniel C. Dennett (italics added):"..can we public atheists have productive conversations with believers? Certainly. We can discuss every issue under the sun...respecting each other as citizens with honest disagreements about fundamental matters that can be subjected to reasonable, open inquiry and mutual persuasion... As long as those who are believers will acknowledge that their allegiance gives them no privilege, no direct line to the absolute truth, no advantage in moral insight, we should be able t... More About: Atheist , Dialog , Dialogue , Theist , Dial
Getting On My Blogroll
2007-03-27 12:32:00 Atheism is increasing gradually here in the U.S., but interest in atheism is experiencing explosive growth at the moment. This is reflected in increased traffic to many of the established atheist blogs and in the emergence of many new ones. Keeping up with the many atheist blogs worth reading is becoming more of a challenge. Not surprisingly, I have been receiving at least a few e-mails a week asking me to add an atheist blog to my blogroll. In this post, I will clarify how my blogroll works and provide some tips for those of you looking to increase your blog traffic.Please recognize that bloggers use their blogrolls in different ways. Some use them almost exclusively for reciprocal links (i.e., I'll add you if you add me) and will add anyone who reciprocates. Others are highly selective, adding only a handful of blogs which they regularly read. Still others attempt to catalog every single atheist-oriented blog, regardless of merit or reciprocation.So how do I use my blogroll? I us... More About: Blogroll , Blog , Roll
Atheist Revolution Criticized by Atheists
2007-03-25 20:15:00 I recently installed StatCounter, making it easy to explore how visitors are finding this blog. After noticing a few visits from Goosing the Antithesis, I decided to check it out. To my surprise, I found this post in which I was characterized as someone who "would try to stop everyone else from having a good time" and as seeking to "temper everyone into falling into step for an 'atheist movement' which does not exist." Is this how I am perceived among atheists? I certainly do not see myself this way, so I wonder what I might have written to give this impression.I am used to receiving everything from bible quotes to personal attacks from a handful of Christian extremists, even though most Christians who comment here or e-mail me directly have been civil, polite, and downright thoughtful. What I am not used to is what I believe is unfair criticism from within the atheist community. That is not to say that I expect to always agree with other atheist bloggers or for them to agree with... More About: Evolution , Atheist , Revolution , Crit , Atheists
I Support This Religious Nut
2007-03-25 15:00:00 This is not something I've heard myself saying very often, but I found a case where I actually support a Christian who wishes to broadcast his religious idiocy. Yep, you read that correctly. I agree with a Christian that he should be able to promote his superstition as he wishes. I still think he's a nut for wanting to do so, but I support his legal right to do so.According to ReligionNewsBlog, a Vermont man wanted to obtain a vanity license plate referencing a passage from the Christian bible, John 3:16. His first two requests (JOHN316 and JN316) were denied by the Department of Motor Vehicles on the grounds that they violated the law mandating that there could only be two numbers on any plate. However, his third request (JN36TN) was denied on the grounds that "it conflicts with agency rules forbidding motorists to express religious viewpoints on license plates."This is wrong. Just as the state can make no law promoting religion, it should not be able to prohibit religious expres... More About: Port , Support , This , Ligi , Religious
Atheist Extremism
2007-03-23 15:21:00 Well before the mainstream media decided that atheism was worth examining and begin to report on a "new atheism," atheist bloggers were discussing the appropriate tone of atheist discourse. This discussion has intensified, becoming one of the hot topics within our growing community. How aggressive should atheists be in opposing religion? If we become too aggressive, don't we run the risk of becoming the very fundamentalists we oppose? In this post, I will examine the possibility of "atheist extremism," whether it is possible, and how we would recognize it.I am going to start with the premise that is is at least possible for atheists to become too assertive/aggressive/militant/extreme in their views and or behavior. If you disagree with this, try to suspend judgment until the end of the post. What might this look like, and what are we to call such an atheist?Fundamentalist or Militant AtheismThe first term with which we can easily dispense is that of "fundamentalist atheist." It is ... More About: Atheist , Extremism , Trem , Theist , Remi
Ignorant and Proud
2007-03-21 11:28:00 I recently found myself stopped in traffic behind a car with this symbol on the back. I had to laugh, wondering whether the owner of this car realized the irony involved with this magnet. I would not be at all surprised to learn that the driver thinks his religion counts as "truth" simply because he believes it. It probably doesn't even strike him as absurd that his primary reason for believing it is almost certainly that he learned it from his parents.How much arrogance is required to elevate one's personal beliefs into absolute truth? Never mind that there is a consensus in the scientific community supporting Darwin's theory of evolution. "Who are these scientists to tell me that I'm wrong?" I wonder if the driver could even articulate the basics of the theory he mocks here.One does not have to be a fundamentalist to put a Jesus fish on one's car. Some of those who do so are certainly fundamentalists, but many more would better be described as moderate Christians. And yet, th... More About: Rant , Nora , Proud
I Believe That Living in Reality is Preferable to Living in Fantasy
2007-03-19 11:33:00 I am an atheist who dismisses the concept of gods as incomprehensible and lacking in evidence. I also believe that the natural world is all that exists and find great joy, beauty, and meaning in this world. This post continues the What I Believe series by examining my belief that living in reality (i.e., the natural world) is preferable to living in fantasy or delusion. While I suspect that this statement of belief will not be controversial to most readers, that does not mean that it should be accepted uncritically.Real ity is Both Natural and ObjectiveI previously stated that "reality" refers to to the natural world and only to the natural world. Gods and other supernatural entities are not part of the natural world by definition, and this excludes them from reality itself.Beyond this, I believe that there is such a thing as objective reality. I mean this in the sense that there is an independent reality which exists outside of human consciousness. Just because I cannot see the tree... More About: Living , Fantasy , Hat
It is a Happy Birthday: Delighting in Small Pleasures
2007-03-18 14:42:00 Today is my birthday. I haven't exactly looked forward to a birthday since the year I turned 21. Birth day s can serve as a sobering reminder that one has not accomplished many of one's goals, that one is marching toward death, or simply than one is feeling more of the effects of the natural aging process. But I really haven't been thinking about any of that today. Instead, I have been enjoying some of the small pleasures which I often take for granted without stopping to consider how their sum is associated with my happiness.I sit here this morning with a large cup of coffee and optimism to face the day. I watched a beautiful sunrise this morning, and my RSS aggregator is collecting posts from the atheist blogosphere for my perusal. I plan to digest the contents of the latest Carnival of the Godless while I drink my coffee and my dog sleeps at my feet. If these clouds clear, I will eventually make my way outside with my camera to see what inspiration I might discover. Sitting perf... More About: Lighting , Small , Happy
Know Them By Their Deeds: Florida Church Aid Accused of Molesting Teens
2007-03-17 20:56:00 Sexual molestation of youth in one's charge is not limited to Catholic priests; Catholic church aides sometimes get in on it too. According to this disturbing story from the Associated Press and printed in The Times Argus, a church aide from a Florida 's New Life youth group has been accused of molesting several teenage girls during a field trip to Vermont. The accused is an assistant youth minister from the St. Louis Catholic Church in Pinecrest, FL.Maybe religion really does foster sexual predation.Florida church aide accused of sexual assault in VermontMarch 11, 2007Staff ReportThe Associated PressBURLINGTON — An aide with a Florida church group is accused in a lawsuit of molesting "multiple" teenage girls while they were on a field trip in Stowe.A 15-year-old girl and her parents have sued Anthony B. Ricco, 19, an assistant youth minister with the New Life youth group at the St. Louis Catholic Church in Pinecrest, Fla., according to court papers filed with the 11th Judicial C... More About: Teens , Them , Know
President Wanted: Christians Only
2007-03-17 13:39:00 Never mind what the Constitution says about not having any sort of religious litmus test for the American presidency. No such law needs to exist because the voters will insure that atheists are excluded. In fact, this is one place where there is little evidence of our American culture war at all because the American people are largely united in their opinion that no atheist should be president.Mitt Romney certainly agrees. Belief in the poorly defined Chris t ian god is a necessary prerequisite for holding the highest political office. Atheists simply do not have what it takes.I find it particularly interesting that flag-waving, gay-hating, conservatives say they would elect a homosexual president before a nonbeliever. I wonder how they feel about atheist marriage? Perhaps the marriage of two atheists also represents a violation of the "sanctity of marriage."This is bigotry - plain and simple. We can try to water it down by emphasizing that American believers simply want someone in of... More About: President , Christians
Christian Seniors Bash Atheists
2007-03-16 14:34:00 According to the Secular Coalition for America, it did not take long for Rep. Stark's identification as a nontheist to elicit Chris t ian outrage. I suppose it was just a matter of time. The idea that belief in gods is not necessary seems to terrify many Christians. Stark has been applauded in the atheist community, as many of us have concluded that it is about time we finally had some representation in Congress. Perhaps anything that makes atheists happy has to be inherently bad.A group of Christian seniors, the Christian Senior s Association (CSA), are using the occasion of Stark's announcement to attack atheism. They are calling on members of Congress to proclaim their theistic beliefs on the floor of the House."It is time for religious members of Congress to push back. A simple declaration of a belief in God by members of Congress on the House floor will be greatly informative for the American people. Members who wish to expand could use the ‘special orders’ portion of the... More About: Atheist
Gen. Pace, Homophobia is Only Part of the Problem
2007-03-15 14:12:00 I can't stand it any longer - I have to sound off on Gen. Pace 's recent condemnation of homosexuals. I get madder every time I think about this. Maybe this will make me feel a little better. The point I'll be making here is that Pace's homophobia, as despicable as it is, is only part of the problem here.On the off chance that you somehow missed this story, this is what General Pace, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said during an interview with the Chicago Tribune on March 12:"My upbringing is such that I believe there are certain things, certain types of conduct, that are immoral. ... I believe that homosexual acts between individuals are immoral and that we should not condone immoral acts."As important as his words was the context in which they were spoken. Pace expressed his intolerance after he was asked about the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy. Pace indicated that he supports this policy and the above quote was his rationale for doing so. The policy is a... More About: Problem , Part , Only , Phobia
Interview With Brian Flemming at Bloggasm
2007-03-14 16:56:00 I just received a news tip via e-mail that Blog gasm posted an interview with Brian Flemming, director of The God Who Wasn't There and developer of the Blasphemy Challenge. It was a great interview, and Flemming's responses were certainly encouraging. Here is my favorite quote:"Religion has created a rule in our culture that says religious beliefs are the sole beliefs that cannot be critically examined — one is allowed to state the most outlandish conclusions under the banner of religion, and it is considered rude to question those conclusions in the way one would question any others."Flemming had lots of encouraging things to say about the current state of atheism in America and what the future holds. I certainly hope he is right and renew my commitment to promoting atheism.Tags: Brian Flemming, atheism, atheist, interview More About: Inter , Interview , With , View
Parenting Beyond Belief
2007-03-14 14:02:00 Living as an atheist in one of the most religious Western democracies is no picnic, but I suspect that is is nothing in comparison to trying to raise children in such an environment. I imagine that most godless parents want their children to be capable of making informed choices about their participation (or lack thereof) in religious customs, thinking critically, and applying a healthy dose of skepticism in examining all things (including religion). At the same time, I bet that most atheist parents are fully aware of the ridicule, hatred, and cruelty their children may experience at the hands of Christian children (and teachers) if they should choose not to believe. What does an atheist parent teach his or her children about religion and about the legions of believers surrounding them? How can a rational parent instill morality and compassion without religion?A new book, Parenti ng Beyond Belief: On Raising Ethical, Caring Kids Without Religion, is due for release in April.According... More About: Renting , Rent
Belief in God Not Needed for Congress: California Rep. Pete Stark Makes His
2007-03-13 15:18:00 One of the brilliant parts of the U.S. Constitution is the prohibition on religious tests for public office. However, it is difficult to imagine voters electing an openly atheist candidate in a country so ravaged by superstition as America. After all, atheists are the most distrusted minority. Given this context, the decision of Rep. Pete Star k (D-Cali f.) to come forward as the first member of Congress to officially self-identify as not believing in any sort of god is remarkable.The Secular Coalition for America, the organization behind Rep. Stark's historic announcement, issued a press release explaining why we should take note of this event. Secular Coalition president Herb Silverman says, "The only way to counter the prejudice against nontheists is for more people to publicly identify as nontheists. Rep. Stark shows remarkable courage in being the first member of Congress to do so."I expect that Rep. Stark is going to take some major heat from the Christian extremist community f... More About: God , California
Ann Coulter Spouts More Hate: How to Respond?
2007-03-12 12:59:00 I guess I'm not sure what to think about Ann Coulter's recent indulgence in hate speech. Well, I guess that is not entirely true. I know what I think about her calling John Edwards a homophobic slur. The part I'm not sure about is how the rest of us should respond in this and similar cases. I have addressed this topic before and will almost certainly continue to do so in the future.Anyone who was surprised by Coulter's statement has not been following her very closely. Her hatred of gays is well known, and she has made similar statements before. Thus, I think it is safe to say that any organization which invites Coulter to speak is explicitly condoning this sort of bigotry.Case in point, after her comments at the Conservative Political Action Conference, she was an invited speaker at the Center for Reclaiming America, an organization affiliated with Christian extremist D. James Kennedy and his Coral Ridge Ministries. Coulter was there for the Center's "Reclaiming America for Ch... More About: How To , Hate , Hat , Pond , Pout
Know Them By Their Deeds: Church Refuses to Pay Bills
2007-03-11 17:45:00 In this story out of Kansas, a Kansas church has been delinquent in paying both tax bills and several bills from building contractors. In fact, it is now facing a variety of liens from contractors attempting to collect the money owed to them. Rather than being a simple misunderstanding or a temporary oversight, it appears that this church and its pastor have a long history of tax problems."Former church members and contractors also complain that despite the money flowing in, the church also is slow to pay its bills."So much for being a responsible member of the community. More About: Church , Them , Know , Bill , Bills
Woman Sees Jesus in Wallpaper
2007-03-11 16:02:00 I guess this is a case of the title saying it all. I'm not sure I have the energy to comment on the idiocy here. Just read the story. More About: Jesus , Wallpaper , Wall , Woman , Oman
Cultural Divisions and the News Media
2007-03-10 14:53:00 With the appointment of George W. Bush to the presidency in 2000 by the Supreme Court, a culture war erupted in America. At least, that is what the American media has been telling us ever since. I was initially tempted to dismiss much of this culture war talk as little more than an effort to boost ratings by manufacturing conflict and giving voice to polarizing elements on either side of the political continuum. Nevertheless, I have become convinced that there is in fact an important cultural divide which I expect to deepen as we get closer to the 2008 election.The right has long complained of a "liberal media bias." In fact, exposing oneself to any form of conservative media will quickly reveal that "liberal media bias" remains one of their chief talking points. Is there any evidence of a liberal media bias? Absolutely, but not in the way the right envisions.When conservatives refer to a liberal bias in the media, they are claiming that all mainstream news media (i.e., everything b... More About: News , Media , Cult , Cultura , The N
Reality-Based Community Skeptical of Discovery of Jesus' Tomb
2007-03-08 12:31:00 As news broke of James Cameron's supposed discovery of Jesus ' tomb, most in the reality-based community reacted with skepticism. While some Christians acknowledged that Cameron's claim challenged the very core of their faith, most atheist bloggers appeared to regard the news with minimal interest. At first glance, this might appear surprising. After all, wouldn't atheists be expected to celebrate the death knell of Christianity?As you have almost certainly heard by now, the big news involved claims by filmmaker James Cameron that his upcoming documentary on the Discovery Channel reveals the tomb of Jesus and his family. This claim, if it can be shown to be true, would challenge the Christian dogma surrounding the physical resurrection of Jesus.So why are many atheists dismissing this news as being relatively unimportant? I believe the answer lies in our rationalist nature. I'm not here to claim that atheists are necessarily rationalists, but I readily identify myself as such. A... More About: Reality , Community , Skeptic
Homeschooling is About Indoctrination
2007-03-07 12:30:00 Lest there be any doubt that homeschooling is about indoctrination for many Christian parents, I refer you to this report on Christian Newswire. The article reveals that one of the core motives for Christian parents who homeschool their children is modification of attitudes toward abortion. Disgusted yet? You will be.The title of this article, "Considering Home schooling : Christians Can Help Stop Abortion," leaves little to the imagination about what is going on here. Just in case it still strikes you as ambiguous, the tagline should clear things up even more: "Home education is a deterrent to abortion and a way to boost pro-life activism."How silly I was to think that homeschooling was about education, even among Christian parents. It is not. It is about indoctrination of one's children to the Christian worldview. According to Charles Lowers, Director of Considering Homeschooling, Christian parents are urged "to see home education as a powerful tool to deter abortions in their own ... More About: School , Nation , About
Opening Old Wounds: 18 Months After Hurricane Katrina
2007-03-04 14:51:00 I just watched Spike Lee's outstanding documentary on Hurricane Katrina , When the Levees Broke. I thought I could handle it. After all, it has been 18 months since the hell that was Katrina, and I was spared most the agony many others experienced. It turned out to be an intense emotional blow, making me feel like it was happening all over again. I woke up this morning in the midst of a nightmare and ran to the window to make sure my property had survived. Now I just feel numb again, except for the flashes of rage directed toward the government who allowed the horrific aftermath to happen and who has yet to resolve the situation in Mississippi and Louisiana. This is a film every American needs to view, chronicling a disaster no American should be allowed to forget.Watching the images of Katrina was much harder than I expected. It brought back the vivid memories of seeing the devastation outside my window. I'll never forget the roar of that wind or the cracking of trees snapping in ... More About: Hurricane Katrina , Open , Opening , Trina
Christians Are Not Being Persecuted
2007-03-02 16:24:00 I have often wondered whether it would be possible for Chris t ian s to sustain their religion without the imaginary threat of persecution. I suspect not, but that really is not the point of this post. Instead, I want to draw your attention to a great letter to the editor I found in the Evansville Courier & Press. It argues that American Christians are not persecuted in the arena of school prayer, as they are so fond of claiming.This letter was written in response to a previous letter complaining about how Christians "allowed one woman ... to remove prayer from our schools ... Christians sat back and let it happen without a fight." I did not attempt to find the previous letter, but I suspect it was referring to Madelyn Murray O'Hair. Regardless, the author of the response, Mr. Hartley, points out that this is untrue, noting that Christians fought hard to retain prayer in school. Defending their desire to infuse superstition into public education all the way to the Supreme Court is... More About: Cute
Book Preview: A 21st Century Rationalist in Medieval America
2007-02-25 16:00:00 Have you ever thought about someday turning your blog or other material you have written into a book? Wouldn't it be nice to have a model of exactly how to do this in the most effective way possible? Good news! Just such a model will be published soon in the form of A 21st Cent ury Rationalist in Medieval America : Essays on Religion, Science, Morality, and the Bush Administration by John Bice. The book has a May 2007 publication date, but John was nice enough to send me a preview copy. In this post, I will explain exactly why you need to get your hands on this book as soon as it is available.Unless you just started reading atheist-oriented material on the web, you have probably encountered Bice's writings before. He is a freelance writer, currently employed by Michigan State University, where he writes regular columns from a godless perspective for The State News. I have long enjoyed his columns and was thrilled to hear that he was working on a collection of his writings.A 21st Cen... More About: Preview , Review , Book
"Then What Do You Believe?"
2007-02-10 18:19:00 Christians often have many questions when encountering an atheist. Many reflect a lack of scientific knowledge (e.g., "Then how did we get here?"), a lack of moral development (e.g., "If there is no god, why should we be good?"), or just a lack of imagination (e.g., "Then what do you worship?"). However, there is at least one valid question to which more of us should be prepared to provide meaningful answers.A Christian who recognizes that atheism refers only to the lack of theistic belief and not to some broad agenda, philosophy, or alternative religion, sometimes asks an excellent question. "I understand that you do not accept the existence of any gods, but I'm curious about what you do believe." Many atheists are too quick to dismiss this question as irrelevant or even provoking, but it is not necessarily either of these things. It may represent a genuine attempt to understand the worldview of the particular atheist being questioned.As we consider this question, one critical dis... More About: What , Hat , Believe
Evangelist Pastor Drowns While Trying to Walk on Water
More articles from this author:2006-09-03 15:26:00 According to WorldNetDaily, an evangelical pastor told his congregation that he could repeat the alleged miracle of Jesus by walking on water. Before you dismiss this as an outrageous claim or even blasphemy, consider that the pastor based his claim on a revelation. The outcome? He drowned.I do not blame the pastor for attempting this act. After all, he had a revelation. Many Christians will tell you that their entire faith is based on personal revelation. What I do blame him for is not being smart enough to realize that he wasn't walking on water until it was over his head, causing him to drown. When the annual Darwin awards come out, I think this pastor should be remembered.The Christian response will almost certainly be something along the lines of how the pastor's faith was insufficiently strong, how he offended god with his pride, or some similar nonsense. If more evangelicals would put their faith to the test in this manner, I suspect there would be far fewer evangelicals. F... More About: Water , Stor , While , Walk , Vangelis 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 |



