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Another One Bites The Dust
2008-12-31 05:47:00
Adios Shanahan: The Denver Broncos have fired their head coach Mike Shanahan after they saw their playoff hopes go out the door when they lost their last 3 games. Shanahan was 24-24 over the past 3 seasons. He finished with a record of 146-91 including the playoffs during his 14 years as head coach. He ...
Patriots Tailgating Tidbits Week 7
2008-10-20 23:00:00
The Patriots will look to rebound from an awful beating last Sunday night at the hands of the San Diego Chargers and they have to do it against their own personal nemesis, the Denver Broncos.  The Patriots always have a difficult time with Denver whether it’s on the road or like tonight’s matchup at home ...
Chatting with The Rocky?s Sam Adams
2008-10-02 20:25:00
Sam Adams is not a former Denver Broncos defensive lineman - he’s a columnist for the Rocky Mountain News who does a great job breaking down all things Broncos throughout the season. Every Sunday, Sam joins myself and John from Mile High Report for a Game Day Broncos chat - and welcome you ...
NFL Replay Airs Saints-Broncos Tonight
2008-09-24 00:30:00
It was another wild win for the Broncos, giving the NFL Network another opportunity to feature the team on its weekly re-air program. The Broncos’ 34-32 win over the Saints will air tonight on NFL at 9:30 ET / 7:30 MT. Be sure to set your TiVos and watch them break the Orange Curse!
Breaking News: Patriots Sign O?Neal
2008-09-01 17:16:00
The New England Patriots hosted free agent cornerback Deltha O’Neal earlier this morning and they have now announced they have signed him to a contract. To make room on the 53-man roster, the Patriots released tight end Stephen Spach. O’Neal has played 8 years in the NFL, playing for the Denver Broncos from 2000-03 and the ...
Mitch Erickson - Denver Broncos Player Bio
2008-06-10 00:04:00
Name: Mitch Erickson Height, Weight: 6′6″, 285 Position: Guard Age, Experience: R, 23 College: South Dakota St. Mitch Erickson signed with the Denver Broncos as an undrafted free agent in 2008 out of South Dakota State. Erickson started at either guard or tackle for all 44 games in his career with the Jackrabbits. The Good: Erickson was voted the team’s ...
Andre Hall - Denver Broncos Player Bio
2008-06-08 14:52:00
Name: Andre Hall Height, Weight: 5′10″, 212 Position: Running Back Age, Experience: 2, 25 College: South Florida Andre Hall passed through Tampa and Chicago before landing in Denver. As an undrafted free agent, Hall spent 2006 trying to stick on a team and ending that year on Denver’s practice squad. In 2007 Hall stepped up as a returner ...
John Engelberger - Denver Broncos Player Bio
2008-06-07 01:00:00
Name: John Albert Engelberger Height, Weight: 6′4″, 260 Position: Defensive End Age, Experience: 9, 31 College: Virginia Tech John Engelberger joined the Denver Broncos via a trade with San Francisco in 2005. Until this past year, he had only started one game for the Broncos, participating in the defensive line rotation and tallying 79 tackles and 1 sack in ...
Denver Broncos Team Camp Day 3 - News and Notes
2008-06-06 15:24:00
After taking Wednesday off, the Broncos got right back to work on Thursday.  As a sidenote, Mike Shanahan was a guest on Sirius NFL Radio yesterday talking about everything from Javon Walker/Travis Henry to Selvin Young to Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall.  Looking to find some audio for ya but it was an interesting 10 or so minutes.  Back to business..... There are several articles out now talking about the Broncos drive for better character. Of course, these negative piles of journalistic pizzle are taking shots at the Broncos "focus", implying that character only comes into the equation when teams are losing. If you'd like to focus on the stuff going on off the field you can do that HERE and HERE. For me, I am going to focus on the field. The Broncos have cut bait with alot of locker room-cancer guys in the past few months and I support it, even if the the perception is the talent level of the team has dropped. I don't agree, and feel it is the name recognit...
Ebenezer Ekuban - Denver Broncos Player Bio
2008-06-05 22:12:00
Name: Ebenezer Ekuban Height, Weight: 6′4″, 275 Position: Defensive End Age, Experience: 10, 32 College: North Carolina Ebenezer Ekuban joined the Denver Broncos via a trade with Cleveland in 2005, and, when healthy, has been an extremely effective player for the club. In 2005 and 2006, Ekuban only missed one game, tallying 119 tackles and 11 sacks. During a 2007 preseason game, Ekuban tore the Achilles tendon in his right heel, forcing him onto Injured Reserve and ending his season. The Good: 2006 was Ekuban’s best career year, and the best performance by anyone on the D-line that year. In hindsight, it isn’t surprising the defense struggled so much last season. The Broncos’ strongest defenders against the run were all lost before or during 2007 due to injury - Ekuban’s heel, Al Wilson’s neck, and John Lynch’s neck. With Ekuban’s return, expect the defense to get a boost up front. The Bad: With Ekuban’s...
Elvis Dumervil - Denver Broncos Player Bio
2008-06-04 23:00:00
Name: Elvis Dumervil Height, Weight: 5′11″, 260 Position: Defensive End Age, Experience: 24, 3 College: Louisville Elvis Dumervil is only small in height. His five foot eleven inch frame is loaded with 260 pounds of pure muscle - the guy’s a monster. In 2007, he was able to translate his fierce physical presence into 12.5 sacks and 56 ...
Denver Broncos Team Camp Day 2 - News and Notes
2008-06-04 14:16:00
Rod Smith makes an appearance, Ebenezar Ekuban is getting frustrated and #20 was barely off the back of Travis Henry before another player laid claim. All that and more in today's Team Camp update! No one knows exactly what the future is for Rod Smith but one thing's for sure, it will involve helping the Denver Broncos in some way, shape or form. Smith showed up on the practice field yesterday to help out with the receivers and expressed his love for the Orange and Blue - I love the Denver Broncos, I love the organization, so there ain’t nothing that I wouldn’t do to help. Whether it is on the field or off the field, anything I can do, even just sitting there and talking to some of the guys who are playing receiver now, just giving them little tips and stuff like that. I enjoy that because I know it is going to help them, therefore it helps the organization. There isn’t anything that I wouldn’t do to get us back to where I feel we belong. Smith already...
Jay Cutler - Denver Broncos Player Bio
2008-06-04 02:03:00
Name: Jay Cutler Height, Weight: 6′3″, 233 Position: Quarterback Age, Experience: 25, 3 College: Vanderbilt Jay Cutler is the latest player to attempt to fill the massive shoes left by Hall of Fame Denver Broncos quarterback John Elway. As his young career has progressed, it’s become apparent that Cutler is trying to avoid such comparisons, and wants to create ...
Denver Broncos Madden Ratings
2008-06-03 19:57:00
Madden ‘09 is set to drop in a few months, but in the meantime we’ve found a few screencaps showing Denver Broncos player ratings. The team overall has a score of an 84 - good for 17th in the league. Our AFC West foe San Diego Chargers have a 95 (third in the ...
Denver Broncos Team Camp Day 1 - News and Notes
2008-06-03 15:14:00
The news from yesterday wasn't all about Travis Henry. The team was back on the practice field, this time for Team Camp. Looks like the Broncos are testing the waters using John Lynch as a part-time player - On nickel situations, Marlon McCree replaces John Lynch at safety. How they use Lynch this season, along with the other safeties on the roster, will be a huge question throughout the summer Ebenezar Ekuban was being used at DT on third down, similar to the way he was being used in 2006. DeWayne Robertson participated in his first full practice as a member of the Broncos and came out of it none the worse for wear - It felt good. I went full-go. We're getting a lot of good coaching out there from Bill (Johnson) and Jake (Burney). We've just got to take the coaching and keep progressing. Robertson has a chronic knee condition and is coming back from off-season wrist surgery. 460 Pounds. That's what Broncos Guard Montrae Holland likes to bench press - It's the mos...
Tim Crowder - Denver Broncos Player Bio
2008-06-03 00:37:00
Name: Timothy C. Crowder Height, Weight: 6′4″, 275 Position: Defensive End Age, Experience: 22, 2 College: Texas Tim Crowder was drafted by the Denver Broncos in the 2nd round of the 2007 NFL Draft out of the University of Texas. His rookie year saw Crowder quietly tally 4 sacks, a decent total considering that many had surmised that first ...
Keary Colbert - Denver Broncos Player Bio
2008-05-29 22:00:00
Name: Keary Colbert Height, Weight: 6′0″, 200 lbs. Position: Wide Receiver Age, Experience: 26, 5 College: USC Keary Colbert joins the Denver Broncos as an unrestricted free agent and will compete with other free agent acquisitions for the starting #2 WR role opposite Brandon Marshall. Colbert was drafted in the 2nd round in 2004 by the Carolina Panthers, where ...
Denver Broncos Quarterback Camp Day 6 - News and Notes
2008-05-29 13:22:00
Some much to say, so little space!  Actually, I have all the space I want, and it's a good thing.  Yesterday seemed to be a busy day for guys getting injured(Dre Bly), guys feeling better(Jay Cutler) and guys that are simply off their rocker(Todd Sauerbrun).  We'll start with the Quarterback. Jay Cutler says he is completely back to normal, or at least what normal is now. The weight is back to normal, the conditioning is back to normal, and cutler is ready to go -- I feel fine, I feel like I did last year at camp. I've gotten everything back, I can definitely feel a difference from March. I've got all of my zip. I can make all the deep throws. It definitely feels good to do that again. Culter's teammates are also glad to see the 'old Jay' back -- Brandon Stokely - It's almost like night and day between right now and the end of last year. Patrick Ramsey - He's not a different person. Jay's Jay, but at the same time, he's easier to be around - and I don'...
Ryan Clady - Denver Broncos Player Bio
2008-05-28 23:42:00
Name: Ryan Clady Height, Weight: 6′6″, 317 lbs. Position: Offensive Tackle Age, Experience: 21, R College: Boise St. Ryan Clady was drafted by the Denver Broncos in the first round (12th overall) of the 2008 NFL Draft. He is entering his rookie season and has the inside edge at starting at left tackle for the Broncos in 2008. ...
Broncos Officially Sign Pittman, Release S Underwood
2008-05-28 20:05:00
The Denver Broncos made it official - Michael Pittman signed a one-year deal with the team (terms not disclosed, per club policy). To make room on the roster, the Broncos released safety Marviel Underwood. Full press release after the jump. (more...)
Pittman signs with the Denver Broncos
2008-05-28 15:00:00
Former Bucs RB Michael Pittman has finally latched on with another club: After six seasons with the Bucs, Pittman will resume football activities for one year with the Denver Broncos. I know alot of you enjoyed Pittman, but I have to be honest, I never liked the guy. I thought he was a poor mans Eddie George, with a Big Poppa Pump flair.. He had no field vision, seemed to always run into the backs of his blockers, and would fall down from the slightest contact, sometimes a blade of grass would trip him up (Eddie George esque). I hope he does well in Denver, but I give him a year or two and then he'll become a professional wrestler or open a strip club..
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Denver Broncos Quarterback Camp Day 5 - News and Notes
2008-05-28 13:52:00
I hope you all had a great Holiday weekend.  I know I did and I once again thank those of you that kept the site rolling along.  The Broncos also enjoyed the weekend before getting back to it yesterday.  Let's take a look at was was seen and heard on Day 5. Travis Henry has been officially put on notice. The Broncos reached a tentative agreement with Free Agent RB Michael Pittman, which should become official today after the 32 year-old passes a physical. You can read more about it HERE and HERE. We'll get to Henry in one second. As for Pittman, his agent, Drew Rosenhaus for those keeping score at home, thinks he can get some things done for the Broncos - There's a lot of ways Michael can help the Broncos, he can play fullback, halfback, he can catch the ball out of the backfield, return punts and return kicks. He's a versatile back. Pittman, whose arms dwarf most mens' thighs in terms of pure girth, feels healthy and ready to go -- I know I can play. I've ...
Denver Broncos Sign RB Michael Pittman to One-Year Deal
2008-05-27 22:53:00
Several sources, including ESPN and PFT, are reporting that the Denver Broncos have signed (or will sign) running back Michael Pittman to a one-year deal.  With Travis Henry still on the mend, the signing comes at a time when the Broncos can take a look at Pittman in mini camp and see if he can ...
Dre Bly - Denver Broncos Player Bio
2008-05-27 20:32:00
Name: Donald Andre Bly Height, Weight: 5′10″, 188 lbs. Position: Cornerback Age, Experience: 31, 10 College: North Carolina Dre Bly joined the Denver Broncos in 2007 in a trade with the Detroit Lions for RB Tatum Bell and OT George Foster. There was a bit of tension early on - rumor was that Bly was hoping to become a ...
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2008-05-27 13:01:00
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Denver Broncos 2008 QB Mini Camp - Week One Recap
2008-05-24 00:00:00
The 2008 Denver Broncos embarked on their annual journey toward playoff success this week. Humbled after a 7-9 season last year, the team had re-tooled, if not re-vamped, both the offensive and defensive sides of the football this offseason in order to show improvement from last year. Now that the new pieces were in place ...
Mike Bell - Denver Broncos Player Bio
2008-05-23 22:06:00
Name: Michael Steven Bell Height, Weight: 6′0″, 225 lbs. Position: Running back Age, Experience: 25, 3 College: Arizona Mike Bell came on strong for the Denver Broncos in 2006 as an undrafted free agent, running for 677 yards and 8 touchdowns in a part time role behind Tatum Bell. The elder Bell was traded following that season, which looked ...
Denver Broncos Quarterback Camp Week 1 Round Up
2008-05-23 14:56:00
The first of two weeks in this year's Quarterback Camp are complete and while there isn't much to be learned from a bunch of guys in shorts and a t-shirt it sure was nice to be talking about football again. There is some news to speak of. Tony Scheffler had his foot examined and the news turned out to be better than expected. The soreness in his foot is nothing but that, but the Coach will still tread lightly this early in workouts.We know there's not another break in there. You can see that on the X-rays. But there's something in there that keeps him quite sore, and, hopefully, with a couple weeks in the boot, he'll come back full speed and we don't aggravate the injury. Nate Jackson, Scheffler's back-up, knows all too well how frustrated Scheff is with the chronic pain. "He feels like, 'What am I doing wrong for this to happen?' It's the same time as last year, the same play. But I feel for him. He's a friend of mine, and I don't like to see him dealing with th...
Jordan Beck - Denver Broncos Player Bio
2008-05-22 23:13:00
Name: Jordan Beck Height - Weight: 6′2″, 233 lbs. Position: Linebacker Age - Experience: 25, 4 College: Cal Poly/SLO Jordan Beck joined the Denver Broncos midseason 2007 and made an immediate impact on special teams. Replacing linebacker D.D. Lewis, who had yet to tally a tackle on the season, Beck came on strong from the start and tallied 3 ...
Denver Broncos Quarterback Camp Day 3 - News and Notes
2008-05-22 14:18:00
3 days are in the books and the Broncos suffered their first significant injury, though it has lingered for a year now.  Let's take a look at what(and who) went down yesterday --   Tony Scheffler will miss the next month of action due to recurring problems with his broken foot. It was during Quarterback Camp in 2007 that Scheffler initially broke the bone in his foot and played through pain all of last season. There is concern that Scheff may have actually re-fractured the foot, though the Broncos are taking a wait-and-see approach. With Scheffler out of the lineup, old friend Nate Jackson will be counted on to take his place. With Daniel Graham proving last season that his strength is blocking, not running routes, the Broncos need a down-field threat from the Tight End position. Jackson signed a 1-year/$605,000 contract in March with a $425,000 signing bonus. I have always felt an injury to one's foot, especially if you are a running back or tight end, can be extre...
Danny Baugher - Denver Broncos Player Bio
2008-05-21 22:00:00
Name: Danny Baugher Height, Weight: 5′10″, 194 Position: Punter Age, Experience: 24, 1 College: Arizona Danny Baugher is entering his third year in the NFL, and already he’s been around the block a few times. He joined Cincinnati as an undrafted free agent in 2006, then was signed to the New England Patriots practice squad in October, 2006. ...
Denver Broncos Quarterback Camp Day 2 - News and Notes
2008-05-21 13:40:00
Day 2 of Quarterback Camp didn't have the storylines of Day 1 , but that doesn't mean there's nothing to report.  Let's take a look around to see what was seen and heard -- A big disappointment in 2007 was the defense. Jarvis Moss was disappointed as well. Not being on the field has left the Broncos' First Round pick in 2007 with something to prove -- I feel it, I've got a little chip on my shoulder. Being out, I'm ready to go play football. I'd be ready if it started tomorrow. Of course, there have been alot of additions to the defense, something Moss sees as a benefit - That's what makes the team good, the competition among each other, when training camp hits, competition will definitely pick up. That's exactly what we need, guys fighting for position and getting better every single day. The Head Coach surely sees a difference in Moss -- His conditioning is looking better, for him to come back his second year should be a positive. Usually those linemen l...
Denver Broncos Quarterback Camp - Day 1 News and Notes
2008-05-20 14:46:00
The Quest has officially begun. The players were on the field, except Travis Henry of course, and the work of turning around two seasons of simply average(16-16) football is at hand. Here's what was seen and heard on Day 1 of Quarterback Camp --   The biggest news of the day had to be the appearance of Brandon Marshall on the practice field. You can read about it HERE and HERE. Everyone seemed happy to see Marshall, a key component to the Broncos' success in 2008 -- Mike Shanahan was a bit surprised - "He's doing everything a receiver would do except catch the ball. It's ahead of what I thought initially, I was told he could not work out until a month before we went to training camp. And we still thought we could get him in shape, ready to go for our first practice. As for when Marshall might be able to catch a ball again, and his availability for Training Camp, Shanny had this to say -- June 22 with will be the first day he'll be able to catch the football, so tha...
New Denver Broncos Jersey Numbers
2008-05-20 01:12:00
Jay Cutler can still expect to see #78 protecting his blind side when he takes his first snap this season. That’s because 2008 Denver Broncos first round choice Ryan Clady will be wearing 78, the same number that now-retired Matt Lepsis wore throughout his Broncos career. The rookies and free agent signings were all assigned jersey numbers ...
Champ Bailey - Denver Broncos Player Bio
2008-05-19 22:00:00
Name: Roland Bailey Height - Weight: 6′0″ - 192 Position: Cornerback Age - Experience: 29 - 10 College: Georgia Roland “Champ” Bailey, despite all of his accolades and awards and future Hall of Fame potential, is severely underrated. Seems impossible, but it’s true. 90% of the general population watching out there don’t quite understand how good Bailey really ...
Daily Links - Denver Broncos Mini Camp Now Underway
2008-05-19 19:12:00
The 2008 Denver Broncos mini camp begins today. [Rocky Mountain News] Jay Cutler and Ryan Clady will likely garner the most attention. [Denver Post] Dewayne Robertson is ready to return to his top form in the Broncos’ 4-3 system. [Rocky Mountain News] A closer look at Broncos UDFA Wesley Woodyard, particularly from the Senior Bowl. ...
Boss Bailey - Denver Broncos Player Bio
2008-05-18 22:05:00
Name: Rodney Bailey Height - Weight: 6′3″ - 235 Position: Outside Linebacker Age - Experience: 28 - 6 College: Georgia Rodney “Boss” Bailey joined the Denver Broncos via free agency in 2008 and is approaching his first season with the club. He is famously known as Champ Bailey’s little brother, a name that sticks with him even in public ...
Anthony Alridge - Denver Broncos Player Bio
2008-05-17 23:00:00
Name: Anthony Alridge Height - Weight: 5′9″ - 175 lbs. Position: Running back Age - Experience: 24 - R College: Houston Anthony Alridge signed with the Broncos as an undrafted free agent on April 28, 2008. Lovingly nicknamed “Quick,” short for “Quick 6″ by his friends and family (even his father calls him Quick), Alridge’s small size left him ...
P.J. Alexander - Denver Broncos Player Bio
2008-05-16 23:00:00
Name: Patrick James Alexander Height - Weight: 6′4″ - 297 lbs. Position: Guard Age - Experience: 29 - 6 College: Syracuse P.J. Alexander returns to the Denver Broncos after an almost two-year stint with the Atlanta Falcons. Alexander played mostly tackle in college (and some center) but has been playing guard at the pro level. Of the 20 ...
Hamza Abdullah - Denver Broncos Player Bio
2008-05-15 22:11:00
Name: Hamza Abdullah Height - Weight: 6′2″ - 216 lbs. Position: Strong Safety Age - Experience: 24 - 4 College: Washington State Hamza Abdullah, a 7th round choice in 2005 by Tampa Bay, has had the luxury of learning on the bench the past several years. After suiting for one game in 2005 and contributing to special teams in ...
Spygate Stirring Up Denver Broncos Cap Infractions from the 1990?s
2008-05-15 15:00:00
Really? This again? Any Broncos fan who’s been surfing for news around the recent Spygate meetings between former Partiots employee Matt Walsh and NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and Pennsylvania Senator Arlen Specter has undoubtedly heard a resonating theme: The Denver Broncos cheated too. Yes, fans, the Denver Broncos cheated the salary cap. But not ...
Denver Broncos DT Carlton Powell Answers Your Questions
2008-05-14 15:00:00
Carlton Powell, 5th round choice of the Denver Broncos, was nice enough to agree to answer a few questions from the readers. Check out his responses below. From flbronco: What were your initial thoughts/emotions when you got the call saying you were headed to Denver? I was just excited you know. There were a lot ...
Denver Broncos ?Quarterback? Mini Camp Set for May 19
2008-05-13 23:12:00
The Denver Broncos are set to embark on their first mini camp, where the new rookies and veteran players will meet for the first time. The two week voluntary “Quarterback Camp” will take place from May 19 to May 30, 2008. The boys will take the practice field on Monday May 19 through Thursday, then ...
Draft ?07 Update: Ryan Harris
2008-05-08 03:26:00
Hump Day is here, folks! And hopefully Kyle is doing well on those finals! Today we take a look back at our 3rd round pick from last year, OT Ryan Harris. The pick of Harris was rather special, not because it is a marquee position, but because all the other picks that year were D-linemen. ...
Draft ?07 Update: Tim Crowder
2008-05-07 05:39:00
So today we are continuing our review of the 2007 draft by showing you what Kyle and I wrote a year ago as we learned about our second round pick DE Tim Crowder from Texas. As I mentioned yesterday, our biggest need coming into the 2007 season was along our D-line and the Broncos ...
Denver Broncos Mini Camp Scheduled for June
2008-05-05 21:27:00
The Denver Broncos will be holding only one mini camp this year, scheduled for June 11-13.  Some teams elect to have two mini camps in May and June. The past few years have seen the Broncos remain the last team to hold a mini camp, and this remains true this season.  In 2006 and 2007 the ...
Daily Links - King Ranks Broncos 23rd
2008-05-05 18:30:00
Is it that time of the year already (meaningless power rankings time)?  According to Peter King of Sports Illustrated, yes, in fact, it is.  [Sports Illustrated] The best thing Woody Paige has written in recent memory.  [Denver Post] I heartily disagree with this article by Bernie Linicome saying Jay Cutler will be judged by his diabetes.  [Rocky ...
BroncoTalk Draft Roundtable Pt. 4 - Final Thoughts and Grades
2008-05-02 22:57:00
The BroncoTalk Draft Roundtable series has been fun, but we’re ready to say goodbye to the 2008 draft with these last notes and our grades. So, gentlemen, what were your final thoughts after the draft? Josh: I’m more than satisfied with Clady as our first pick. I’m not as excited as Kyle, but anytime ...
How badly does Josh Barrett WANT it?
2008-05-02 04:55:00
Josh Barrett is a smart guy. Josh was one of only eight active players at ASU that earned his degree prior to his senior season. He graduated with academic honors and has stated that he would like to pursue dentistry when his football career is over. Josh Barrett also has the physical size and ...
BroncoTalk Draft RoundTable Pt. 3 - Sleeper Pick
2008-05-01 19:00:00
Alright gentlemen, we’re halfway through this RoundTable of ours - everyone’s already given their favorite pick and their least favorite pick from the draft.  Now this one is a bit trickier - let’s take our first rounder, Ryan Clady, out of the equation.  You don’t normally think of 2nd-7th rounders as Pro Bowl guys, but ...
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