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Reche Caldwell to the Rams
2008-03-25 21:38:00 The story from ESPN's Roundup is here. He had a minimum salary offer from the Redskins and got a little more from the Rams. Former Redskin CB David Macklin signed with the Rams last week. This seems to bode well for the Redskins drafting a wideout, but will it be in the first round? Don't forget to hit up the poll in the SP Question post about the first round pick. That's it for now.
Skin Patrol's Question about the Draft
2008-03-25 20:48:00 He brought it up earlier, and I thought I'd just get everyone's input. The SBN's Mock Draft is fast approaching (as in less than a week folks) and the draft is less than a month away, so let's get it started. What position do you feel needs to be addressed in the first few rounds? The SBN version is going 2 rounds, so what are your top 2 picks by position. I say by position because it will be very hard to predict who is on the board still at pick #51. Anyway, hit up the poll, let us know what you think. Also, comments are always encouraged. More About: Skin , Question
A Redskins Video Not (Yet) Taken Down by the NFL
2008-03-25 19:43:00 Part of the Sammy Baugh fan club series and complete with tacky music. More About: Video , Redskins
Recapping the 2007 NFL Draft and HH's poor Mocking
2008-03-25 19:34:00 I was looking back at the mock draft I put together a year ago and it doesn't look good. Well, at least I got the first pick right. But after that, teams did some things I never would have thought. Like Detroit taking another WR in the first round (Calvin Johnson) or the Skins not taking a Defensive Lineman. Check out the page and laugh. It is that ugly. I did get it right about Quinn... well, kinda. I had Miami taking him but my comment was "if he falls past here, he falls for a while, a la Aaron Rogers in Green Bay." And my comment about the Browns at #3 was that "I think QB Quinn might get some thought here as well." So... I got it half right. It kinda handcuffs mock drafters to be unable to even conceive draft day trades, especially since they happen a lot. I had the Jags taking Jarvis Moss at #17... but Denver traded to take him at that spot. I count that as a victory. I had the Giants taking Aaron Ross at #20... More About: Draft , Poor
Awfully needy 9-7 team
2008-03-25 19:32:00 Matt Williamson at ESPN writes: Redskins have a new head coach and lots of draft needs. The title shouted at me, since I was of the opinion that we didn't have that many serious needs, as we have in years past. But, to Williamson's credit, I think he does a fine job of explaining just where the team is at and where it isn't, even if the title perhaps overstates the case. He says... Washington could go a lot of different ways with its early draft selections. However, that is both good and bad. The Redskins are not pigeon-holed into one glaring position of need so that should allow them to take the best athlete available, but that also is a sign that Washington could use help in a lot of areas. Washington could use a safety, line help and probably another cornerback on defense. They could also use offensive line depth and a big wide receiver, which is probably their most prominent need if we had to choose just one. The other obvious remaining question is how Zorn will handle his ne... More About: Team
Zack Bolno is "Executive Director of Communications"
2008-03-25 19:01:00 Per the Official Site: The Washington Redskins announced March 24 that they have named Zack Bolno as the Executive Director of Communications . Bolno joins the Redskins after spending the past four seasons (2004-08) as the Director of Public Relations for the Washington Wizards... During his tenure, the Buccaneers public relations department received the esteemed Pete Rozelle Award in 1997 and 2002, presented annually to the NFL's top media relations department. The Wizards have branded their team phenomenally in the Washington area and I have to imagine much of that is due to Zack Bolno. Speaking of the Wizards, spend more time at Bullets Forever. Says Ryan O'Halloran of the Times: Expressing an opinion on the hire, this is a positive move by the Redskins. While disappointed they parted ways with Helein, I think it's important they hired a person who a) has knowledge of the D.C. media/sports scene, b) had run their own shop with another team and c) had previous NFL experience...
Fabini Is Staying
2008-03-24 23:30:00 [editor's note, by Skin Patrol] Promoted from diaries, hat tip to CptChaosSidekick on the scoop. Edited only slightly. Per the Insider:Veteran offensive lineman Jason Fabini plans to re-sign with Washington, a league source said today, providing depth for the offensive line with right guard Randy Thomas still recovering from triceps surgery. Contract terms were not immediately available. I like it. I also like FA's signing at OUR prices and us not breaking into FT. Knox to get them. Can't get enough depth, and also think it gives us even more flexibility in the draft..imagine if we get the rumored 3 compensatory draft picks!!! [editor's note, by Skin Patrol] I support keeping Redskins around and like the strategy articulated by dr WNC in the comments... if you have a playoff caliber team, there isn't a reason to fix something that ain't broke. We went down that path at the close of the 2005 playoffs which was immediately followed by an active free agency involving Adam Ar...
Sammy Baugh is the best quarterback in history
2008-03-24 19:53:00 I'll keep saying it, because it's true. In discussions with other fans regarding what makes the best quarterback of all time, there is no single metric that demands conclusion. Championships are challenged as defining of the greatest accomplishment in sports, but then attacked on the basis that they are a team award. Stats are deemed incomparable between different quarterbacks for precisely the same reason -- context includes personnel and era. Amidst this fog of metrics most fans are left no closer to a reasonable conclusion than the one they started with, that my guy, person X, is the best quarterback ever. I join those fans in creating a metric exclusively because it leads to the conclusion I want. At least I am honest. Neither Joe Montana, nor Brett Favre, nor John Elway, nor Tom Brady, nor even Johnny Unitas, ever had the pleasure of playing in the same league as Otto Graham. Only Johnny Unitas among those listed had the chance to play prior to the Live Ball Era -- a 1978 con... More About: History , Quarterback , Sammy
Derrick Frost still the punter
2008-03-24 19:02:00 Oldish news but neglected here. Per the Official Site: Punter Derrick Frost has agreed to terms on a new contract with the Redskins, the team has announced. Frost completed his third season as the Redskins' punter. He was also the holder on field goal attempts, adding to his value on special teams. Redskins Insider on the amount: Because of roster bonuses in his new contract, Redskins punter Derrick Frost could earn as much as $850,000 next season, a league source said. Frost is in his 5th season, I believe the minimum league salary for that much tenure is somewhere in the 600K range, though am unable to confirm that. That should give you a general idea of the amount he stands to make on bonus, though; hundreds of thousands, not millions of dollars. I don't mind Derrick Frost, but the truth is he's a fairly unremarkable punter. He was 32nd in the league in average yards, 17th in punts w/ in the 20 (against his 75 punts this is neither unusually low nor high), and 11th in fair ...
Rams looking at Caldwell, Macklin
2008-03-20 21:29:00 [editor's note, by Skin Patrol] Promoted from diaries and huge thanks to dr WNC for getting the scoop up for Hogs Haven. Looks like Reche Caldwell is visiting St. Louis, along with David Macklin. No changes made though I did crop the original story a bit, just so we saved some for the St. Louis Dispatch. As a general rule, I get in trouble when this space reproduces entire articles, just FYI. I'm sure additional commentary on the story will appear at Turf Show Times later today. Update on Free agents I would like to see the Redskins resign Caldwell, but at the same time I like what they've done this year as far as setting a price and then sticking to it, in other words good sound business practices. Sometimes though you do have to bend to maintain a good mix and the right feel. I hope that is the case with Caldwell. ([editor's note, by Skin Patrol] I agree entirely. I also think Caldwell is a good candidate to splurge ever so slightly on, since his familiarity wi...
March Madness open thread, DTC goes for serious, blogroll needs updating
2008-03-20 19:40:00 First, this is a March Madness open thread. I hadn't done one until now because there are a million better places on the Internet to go to discuss March Madness than my shit Redskins blog, though knock yourselves out here. My brackets all have Kansas winning the championship against Texas, because I'm a Big 12 homer. My favorite team couldn't even make the NIT. Second, the famous Dead Tree Crew (see here and here) has now become more famouser. They've gone film and official, says Mister Irrelevant: Much like the present day National Football League, being a member of the Dead Tree Crew is a year round job. As evidence, we received an email last week from The Mayor himself: The DTC is set the to steal the thunder from St. Patricks day and March Madness. ... We will be launching a multi pronged attack ..." Part of this "attack" was the launch of DeadTreeCrew.com, where you can see endless photos of their tailgates at F-51, watch their music videos (featuring such ... More About: Blogroll , Open , Thread
Cerrato: More likely to move down than up in the draft
2008-03-20 19:25:00 Among a post chronicling a happier, more evangelical Joe Gibbs, the "much less then the 2 million" we offered Hackett (he settled for 3.5M... elsewhere), and the suggestion that locker room chemistry is more important than the big FA signing -- novel, I know -- comes this gem from Vinny Cerrato (in "an interview that will air tomorrow on Comcast and re-air when [Bram Weinstein] fill[s] in for the Riggo crew next week") at Covering the Redskins: As for the Skins draft position, asked how he feels about their spot at 21, Cerrato said that "if we don't pick there, we're more likely to move down then up." Obviously it's early to have any real sense of that, but it was a striking dose of honesty about where the team stands.. They don't mind their spot in the lower third of the first round.. We moved up to draft Jason Campbell, Chris Cooley, and Rocky McIntosh. By all accounts those decisions were proper or at least justifiable, as all three have been contributing starters on this tea... More About: Draft , Move
Al Sharpton hates the Redskins
2008-03-19 19:17:00 Not really Al Sharpton , though he is apparently the founder of the National Action Network which recently asked the NFL... The Rev. Al Sharpton's organization says Canton has not addressed complaints of police misconduct, so the civil rights group is asking the NFL to cancel this summer's Hall of Fame game in the city. Richard Jones heads the local chapter of the National Action Network, founded by Sharpton. Jones says the group also will publish contact information for black NFL stars so they can be urged to put pressure on the league. And not really "hates the Redskins " either, though that sounds a lot more dramatic than "doesn't want them to play a game" for civil rights reasons. I haven't the foggiest idea what symbolic effect canceling the Redskins v. Colts game could possibly have on alleged police misconduct by Canton authorities, but whatev. Sports By Brooks has the gruesome details on what allegedly went down: The CANTON REPOSITORY reports that Cortes Everett was arre...
Who won't show up for "Voluntary" workouts?
2008-03-19 18:51:00 Different year same story. We annually discuss who is or isn't showing up to voluntary workouts and why they should/we shouldn't care, and 2008 will be no different. The results are mixed on missing voluntary workouts. Sean Taylor had, in the past, skipped voluntary workouts instead opting for Miami as his preparation destination. And he turned out to be just fine as a result. Shawn Springs has done the same though I question what impact that has had on his body, since he is kind of a perennial injury concern. Traditionalists who think players have a responsibility to show up for voluntary workouts aren't going to like this. I don't especially like this, either, as I have traditionalist leanings that inform me players should be with their teammates to show solidarity if nothing else. But this team ran a lot of "voluntary" sessions in 2006 that weren't so voluntary. At least one of our better players, and I believe others, were not fond of that policy. Whatever I thought of it, ... More About: Show , Voluntary
First Look: 2008 NFL Draft Needs
2008-03-18 20:31:00 By this point, it seems (almost) a lock that the team is not interested in signing any free agents from other teams. There are some holes to fill and those will most likely be filled utilizing the draft. It seems that Dan and Vinny have finally realized that they can save money (and keep from restructuring contracts every year) by getting young, cheap talent... or, at least everyone hopes they finally realized that. Anyway, here's the breakdown of the most important and glaring needs... at least, how I see the needs. Oh, and here's the current roster for reference. WR - The release of two young WRs sets the table for newer, younger WRs to come in. The offense that new head coach left in Seattle had turned from a run first offense that made Shawn Alexander a MVP in 2005, to a pass-first offense that spead the field with 3 and 4 WR sets. That might be more due to the fact that Alexander was a shell of the back he was in 2005 (Pre-Big Contract or... More About: Draft , 2008
Rick Gosselin loves the Redskins in '08 but doesn't know it yet
2008-03-18 19:43:00 In an encouragingly titled article, for us at least, Rick Gosselin argues that Smart NFL teams spend little in free agency. I'm not crazy about Rick -- he writes for a rival supporting Dallas Morning News and I felt he was an integral part in keeping Art Monk out of the Hall for so long, but can't confirm that since Gosselin had a no-talkie talkie policy with fans (though he seemed like a nice enough guy when I emailed him) In Re: Art Monk HOF bid -- but I absolutely support his contention that not spending huge boatloads of cash on free agents can be a viable winning strategy and in fact often is. He has some convincing anecdotes: [In 2007] the New York Giants were sitting out the spending spree. To borrow a Jerry Jones term, the Giants were "keeping their powder dry." [And then they won the Super Bowl yeehaw.]... In 2006, the Indianapolis Colts signed only one free agent, and he wasn't even a position player - kicker Adam Vinatieri. The Colts wound up winning the Super Bowl. In... More About: Redskins
Matthias Askew signed by Redskins
2008-03-18 19:07:00 I believe it was mentioned in the same release yesterday as the cutting of Espy and Harris though I neglected to say anything on it. The Redskins signed Matthias Askew: REDSKINS SIGN ASKEW: The Washington Redskins signed defensive tackle Matthias Askew, bringing back a player they waived before last season. The 6-foot-5, 302-pound Askew played in five games in 2004 and one in 2005 with the Cincinnati Bengals, who drafted him in the fourth round out of Michigan State. He's a young, fourth round talent defensive tackle. I'm on board. But why is he no longer with the Bengals? As the team said it in 2006, it was performance based: A 2004 fourth-round draft choice out of Michigan State, Askew has been plagued by injuries. "He wasn't going to make our football team at this point," coach Marvin Lewis said. "It's an opportunity for Matthias to catch on with another team. Other guys were playing better." I find that dubious. As the linked CBS article above immediately goes on to docum... More About: Signed
Redskins cut two receivers
2008-03-18 02:59:00 Per the Official Site we've lost Steven Harris and Mike Espy: The Redskins have released wide receivers Mike Espy and Steven Harris, the team announced on Monday. Espy was set to assume a more prominent role on the Redskins' offense last year when he suffered a knee injury in preseason. He was placed on injured reserve following surgery, ending his season... Harris had suffered a knee ligament during a 2007 mini-camp practice. He was placed on injured reserve following surgery. Which goes to show how tenuous one's position is in the NFL and why staying healthy is so important. Both guys were in perpetual limbo as to their permanent roster spot, and proved one injury removed from cuts. I was rooting for both of them all the way -- moral people support underdogs. Best wishes to them both. I enjoy watching the discussion here on drafting a WR but don't want to read too heavily into these cuts. I doubt either Mike Espy or Harris were ever threatening the #2 or #3 spot on the roster.... More About: Receivers
Chris Cooley likes the new offense
2008-03-17 23:49:00 Per Redskins Insider, which has Chris Cooley discussing the emerging offensive scheme under new Head Coach Jim Zorn: While preparing for the Pro Bowl last month, Cooley got a head start in an offense similar to that of the system Zorn plans to implement. The Green Bay Packers' coaching staff coached the NFC squad in the Pro Bowl "and they run the exact same offense as we run, pretty much word for word what we do, and we got into quite a bit of it," Cooley said. "I've spent some time with Coach Zorn and I feel like I'll pick it up very quickly. I understand what I'm doing. Not to say that I didn't like our old offense, but it's an offense that I think I'll be more comfortable in."... "It's going to give me a lot of options," Cooley said. "Say you're running an 'in route,' instead of just continuing to run 15 yards and run in to the middle of the field, I can stop if I feel there's a hole in the middle of the field. I can look for zones, and that's something that's one ...
DJ Hackett is not a Redskin
2008-03-17 20:52:00 Update [2008-3-17 19:35:32 by TexSkins]: Another WR that had been talked about, Bryant Johnson, signed with the Niners. Anyone else have any other WRs on the radar, or are we officially waiting for the draft? For all the huffing and puffing about Hackett visiting the team, he ended up with the Panthers. Per ESPN: Determined to end the constant double teams of their star receiver, the Carolina Panthers came to terms Monday with Seattle free agent D.J. Hackett on a two-year, $3.5 million deal. The reason for the contractual friction was, per usual, financial in nature: Hackett spent last week visiting Washington -- he had a minimum salary offer from the Redskin s -- Tampa Bay and Carolina, where he met with coach John Fox and general manager Marty Hurney and talked on the phone with Smith. Two-year 3.5M dollar contract is not minimum and kudos to Hackett for getting paid. Also kudos to the Redskins for exercising some uncharacteristic fiscal restraint in this player's market. Red...
DeAngelo Hall says Washington still in play
2008-03-17 19:02:00 Hat tip PFT on this story which is actually a few days old. Although this AJC article makes clear that it thinks Hall is heading to Oakland (more on that here) it takes the time to get his thoughts: Hall and his representatives are negotiating a contract with the Raiders, which needs to be agreed upon before the trade is completed, according to the person close to the negotiations. Hall's agent Joel Segal, who did not return several calls to his cellphone, was in talks with the Raiders on Saturday evening. Hall said Saturday night that he did not believe a deal was imminent. "As of right now, we're still at the same stages that I was at with every other team," Hall said. "New York, Washington , Dallas, and Jacksonville. Nothing has been OK'd on my end. Unless they agreed to something that I don't know about, but I don't think no team is going to sign me without talking to me and getting everything right on my end." Joel Segal is supposed to be the one shedding light on this kind... More About: Play
Sean Taylor murder suspects remarkably stupid
2008-03-14 19:17:00 First, Anthony Brown at Hog Heaven is in front of me on the Sean Taylor murder case update. He says maybe Michael Wilbon was right: Washington Post columnist Michael Wilbon was roundly condemned when he wrote last November "he wasn't surprised" by Sean Taylor's murder. His statement was lumped together with ill-considered ignorant statements by Colin Cowherd and others who implied Taylor died for gangster sins. Florida authorities released statements by the suspects in the case that seem to confirm Wilbon's original point about the risks of trying to change your life when others around you "might not embrace such a change." You could say that Taylor died as a result of his generosity, rather than of any bad relationships. I agree wholeheartedly that Sean Taylor died for his generosity; as you'll read below, he paid a kid $300 dollars to mow his lawn -- I never got paid $300 to mow anyone's lawn -- and the kid allegedly reciprocated the favor by participating in a burglary-turne... More About: Murder , Stupid , Suspects
Brunell goes Marching Out...
2008-03-14 01:30:00 all the way to New Orleans. (Do you see? Do you see what I did there?) The original Favre heir apparent. (Image from here.) This news is according to the Post's Redskins Insider, which happens to be considered gospel around these parts. The departure isn't a big surprise and I really and honestly wish him the best. He did well in his time here and handled his ultimate demotion from starter to 3rd string with class and dignity. I vote that he is the Official Hogs Haven favorite New Orleans Saint, but it's not like I have any pull around here. Hopefully, I'll see him when I'm down that way in the next week and I'll send him the collective best. And even if I don't see him, I'll drink one (or two) for him. - - - In related QB news, Trent Dilfer is no longer a 49er according to Yahoo! Sports. I know there were conversations about Zorn wanting Dilfer, but I think that was before the team resigned Collins. I'm hoping they stic...
DJ Hackett so impressed with our offer, he heads elsewhere to consider it
2008-03-13 23:34:00 I received an email that put it best, succinctly: [DJ Hackett] visits, gets an undisclosed offer, doesn't sign, heads elsewhere for more free agent visits. And that is actually the case, per the Times: Seattle free agent D.J. Hackett fits the profile that new Redskins coach Jim Zorn wants to add to an offensive arsenal that already includes vertically challenged receivers Santana Moss and Antwaan Randle El. But that doesn't mean Hackett, who today became the first free agent to visit Washington this offseason, is going to wind up with the Redskins. "This will all be up to him," Zorn said of Hackett, who declined comment. "We're not going to risk it all to try to pay him... I don't know that we were ever willing to "risk it all" to pay players large moneys just to get them in town, but this is certainly an unusual trend for the Burgundy and Gold. In years past this team would not hesitate to grasp the players it wanted for sums not necessarily concomitant with their production or... More About: Heads , Offer
Meet your only FA Visitor: DJ Hackett
2008-03-13 02:22:00 What a busy offseason, huh? So busy, in fact, that the big news around the team is not a free agent signing, but a free agent merely coming for a visit. But don't take my word for it (LeVar Burton and Dr. Seuss taught me to read): the Official site, Washington Times, Hail Redskins, Redskins Insider, The Redskin Report, which has an awesome picture of a tumbleweed (reminds me of home) followed by the story: DJ Hackett isn't going to know what hit him tomorrow. He's going to be swarmed with reporters like he's some kind of all-world superstar. Game, set, match. Anyway, without further ado... meet DJ Hackett. After such a busy offseason, I need a nap. (Image from here.) DJ Hackett is listed at 6'2, 208 lbs. by Yahoo! Sports, which makes him bigger than any of the WRs making any sort of contribution to the team. (Don't mention Anthony Mix... I know he's big but the dude hasn't done anything yet.) He's been in Seattle since being drafted... More About: Meet , Visitor
Draft Scenarios
2008-03-12 16:48:00 Last night on ESPN, they previewed the Redskins as part of their "32 Teams in 32 Days" or whatever they call it. Todd McShay of Scouts, Inc. (I'm pretty sure that's an ESPN company by the way) predicted that the Skins take a WR early and a DE in the 2nd. Some of you have talked along these lines, so I thought it merited a deeper conversation. Before we go any deeper into this, bear in mind the fact that WR D.J. Hackett, late of Zorn's old team the Seahawks, is coming for a FA visit and shouldn't be too expensive, since he isn't generating a ton of interest. Signing Hackett would probably mean that the team doesn't go WR, or at least not in the first round. Anyway, back to McShay (for the record, I know that rhymes because I spit hot fire.) He said Oklahoma WR Malcolm Kelly in round one, follwed up in round 2 by whoever would be available at DE (I think he mentioned USC's Lawrence Jackson, who at one point was a 1st round projection. Funny how thi... More About: Draft
Let the Mocking Begin
2008-03-10 21:07:00 Update [2008-3-10 16:18:57 by TexSkins]: Full disclosure: the post on SportProjections.com is from yours truly. Mocking of drafts that is. Don't get any ideas, you crazy kids. For those of you who are draft geeks (myself included) and can't get enough of those mock drafts, head on over and check out the SportProjections.com Mock Draft. They asked bloggers from different sites to pick for their favorite teams and the Redskins pick is "on the clock" currently and should be up soon. With the way the mock is going, I have the Skins taking DE Calais Campbell from Miami, mostly because DE Gholston and CB Talib are already off the board. Anyone with me? More importantly, anyone feel that WR Limus Sweed or any of the other WRs would be a better pick? Anyone wanting a DT or Offensive Lineman in that spot? Or maybe even a different DE than Campbell? Check out the mock board and see what you think.
Extra Picks for 2008?
2008-03-10 18:32:00 I remember someone on the site asking about the possibility of the Skins getting extra draft picks for this years draft? Rich Tandler to the rescue. A basic explanation of the formula is all but impossible. This is because no one outside the NFL really knows the rules/regulations that formulate the NFL's giving out of compensatory picks. Tandler does his best: Compensatory picks are awarded based on a complex formula devised by the NFL. Colonel Sanders did not guard his secret recipe any more closely than the NFL guards the exact formula. We do know that it's based on the net value of unrestricted free agents lost and free agents signed during the previous offseason. That net value is determined by three factors: the value of the contract signed, the amount of playing time the player got, and the player's postseason awards. He even suggests that the Skins might get as high as one in the third round, as well as some (two maybe) after the 7th round. So fo... More About: Extra , 2008
Chicago signs Lloyd, striving to become Ex-Skin haven
2008-03-08 03:51:00 The Chicago Bears signed Brandon Lloyd to a 1 year deal, adding Lloyd to fellow former Redskin underachiever castoff overpaid lockerroom troublemaker free agent signing Adam Archuleta. Oh look, his gloating is going to get him blindsided... in a video game. (Image from here.) Oh, and before even officially joining the team, he's already causing trouble. From the article: "Rex Grossman is the starter," Lloyd said during a conference call. Well, not exactly. The Bears have said that Grossman and Kyle Orton will compete for the starting job next season, and Lloyd apparently jumped to a premature conclusion. When asked who told him Grossman would start, the receiver backpedalled. Congratulations to the Bears. I hope they enjoy every minute and every dollar of the one year / $3 million dollar deal (with another $1.5 million in incentives possible) they have with Lloyd. I know he will work hard and do absolutely nothing to stir up the club and will fit right in and be onboa... More About: Skin , Signs , Haven
ESPN keeps harping on this
More articles from this author:2008-03-05 23:11:00 "Where does Favre rank all time" thing... PTI even had a Mt. Rushmore of QB talk yesterday. All of which seems the perfect topic for a blog. Farewell to Number Four. (Image from here.) So where is Favre? SP and I have had this conversation before (I think so at least) and I think we vary only slightly on the "best" NFL QBs. So, anyway... where do you, footballs fans above all else, rank Favre on the all time list? Is he on you Mt. Rushmore? Forgive the lame topic, but the Redskins have been quiet on the FA front (which is a good thing) and the draft is still so far off. Plus, barroom topics like this that have no definate answers are always so much fun. More About: Espn 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 |



